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 I was told that 9 out of the 13 sets of tires that were taken had been treated. Does anyone else have more info?

poke

I heard 10, but 2 were from one family. Also heard (5) members from N.C., (1) from Region 4, (1) from Florida, not sure about the rest.

I just hope none of them hold any type of position at the club, regional or national level.  I have always felt strongly about leading by example and those that represent our clubs and sport are a reflection of us.  If you cheat or receive a suspension or COD for violent or inappropriate behavior you should lose your current position and should not be allowed to hold another in the future.

Just my HONEST opinion!

Don't think they would get any national postitions.  They are not from Region 2. 

They told everyone at the handlers meeting that they was going to send tires from qualifying off to get tested!!  :oWhy would anyone do any thing at that point? :o

Maybe they thought they were bluffing or that their method of treating tires would beat their testing?

I have heard that some treatments used are not detectable by the tire sniffers being used but I’m sure they have more sophisticated equipment that is used for the tires sent offsite.

I would like to see the actual numbers, parts per million, because it has always concerned me about picking up other peoples treatment off the track.  I was assured that the PPM is very different between treated tires and those that pickup treatment from the track.

Would also want to know what is the baseline tire?? What are they comparing the "suspect tire" to? You can't check with a new tire,it hasent ran on that track!?

I am like you, what you are running on(what is already on the track)is going into the tire.
In other words if there is tire dookie on the track there is tire dookie in your tire wether or not you use anything!!

Those were my thoughts.  I was told that the PPM for a tire that was directly treated would be VERY high and the PPM of a tire that just picks up treatment would be MUCH lower.

Still concerns me because I dont want any of that crap on my tires.  ;-)

So who pays for the tires? That is "destuctive" testing.

Does anyone know if the names of the people cought treating tires will be posted anywhere? There was a store in a very small town near where I live and they put all bad checks under the glass on the counter at checkout for everyone to see. Shame can be an excellent tool. ;) ;)

It could help...

ncrcr..you are correct,but someone asked what was going to be done with the tires they said they would be evaluated and could go as far as being sent off!!
They did take 20 to 25 sets, but only kept a handfull like you said.
Dave Preston had a list he was going by and even asked for a guy's tires that wasnt even taken.He agreed to go get them even though the team wasnt in the a or b  main??

back up pointtwofive i already told that story!!! lmao

I do know the names of the people that were caught but I see no point in telling. I think the point that QMA is putting the hammer down is enough. Actually I don't think anything is wrong with tire doping. I had  been doing it for years. But once the rule came out to stop, I went cold turkey. The only diffrence I see now is that my tire bill has went sky high

Heard out of all the tires that they checked,that only right rear tires had prep in them.
No right front tires had anything in them that they checked.
?????????????????

Actually I don't think anything is wrong with tire doping.

The problem I see with doping is my kid is behind someone with sometimes wet slinging nasty smelling crap that you need gloves and a mask to use!

like I said I don't use it anymore, but if it was slingning on your kid or anyone else then they were wasting there time and money because they were not using it right.

pokesalad why don't you tell us who they were?I know of 1.

Tell us your 1 and see if someone will tell the rest!!

Alot of people know who they are

NCQMA and QMA wants it that way!

I don't see any point in naming the people, It won't  make things better or worse. I think the point should be that they are seriously going after altered tires. That sniffer the regions had to buy was a joke but know it is pretty cut and dry

The Point is:

Action is being taken against members who have supported USAC yet Reg board members are cheating in racing along with others.

So someone please tell me the difference I sure do not get it.  You support organizations which are trying to find other racing adventures and that is wrong but it is right to break any regulations to win!  What is next go after the drivers who are beating your kids if you can't cheat to win?  Let's see you can run them into the walls, turn right into them although you normally turn left, you can verbally threaten them.  Oh yes I have seen it all!

The point is...
Did all the tires that showed up in QMA tests with prep really have prep put into them from the handlers?

Grandma...well written...and exactly on point.

well.................... the point is most of the people that were caught with the prep are not members of usac nor were they promoting usac so I'm not seeing were that comes into play with this particular topic

No, what she is saying is that QMA comes down on members/board members looking at other QM racing options like USAC but doesn't make an example out of handlers who have regional/club positions who are cheating.

Since I have not been around anyone using tire treatment would someone explain to me how it is done.  I thought that the tires had to be soaked in something for sometime and if that is the case then how would a tire without prep pick enough up off the track to be detected?  I understand it is a very harmful chemical but again do not know the facts on that either.  Obviously there is something harmful regarding it or it would be ok to use it.

Thanks for enlightening me as I am no mechanic just one tired nurse.

There are several methods of treating tires and untill the ban it was even taught in QM seminars on setup. The practice goes back to the inception of racing. In the "olden days" soaking the tires in gasoline was not uncommon. There are basicly 2 kinds of treatment. Stuff to soften or rejuvinate the rubber and stuff to dissapate heat and cool the tire. I don't treat tires but I would think if there is any danger it would be to the handlers that come in contact with the chemicals. Usually they are brushed or rolled onto the tire while some come in aresol cans and are sprayed on. Some are put in the inside of the tire and work from the inside out.

yes tire treating has been aroung for years. Qma started looking at it after the 2005 grands in Ga. In my opinion it was not a safety issue in Ga. It was a competition issue. I will go into it more later today when work slows down

"Reg board members are cheating"???

Boy, I sure hope that’s not true, how could anyone in a leadership position at the club, regional or national level cheat?  That would probably also fall under the classification of being detrimental to the sport of Quarter Midget Racing AND QMA with a denial or revocation of their membership I'm sure.

Just my HONEST opinion, Again!

I can not speak for all involved in the "SCAM" around tire treating at the nationals, but a few of them I can and I know this is a load of crap.  A witch hunt was all it was from the begining.  No one likes to lose.  Someone said it right when it wasn't a safety issue it was a competition issue.  I know first hand that when you do beat someone whether it's your first or second win ever or you have dominated everything you do you can quickly be labeled a "cheater".  As in my case it work best to work it out directly with the people involved and continue to remain friends and competitors, but I am the type that care about how people feel towards me and my son and I do not like to have enemies.  Life is too short for that.  It is the kids that are suffering here when this happens.  Trying to tarnish what these kids who are not cheating have done is pure, plain and simply a cheesey thing to do.  Maybe some did have something in their tires, but I know some did not unless it came off the track.  If it were me involved I would be throwing one more redneck fit and shaming anyone involved in this fiasco.  Asking questions like, Why only right rears? What exactly were the readings? What were the readings of the legal tires?  What procedures were done in the confiscations?    QMA wants members and complaining about the numbers, but this kind of stuff makes people want to pack up and move on.  Those of you on the outside looking in please don't jump to conclusions.  Put yourself in the shoes of the nine and ask yourself what you would do if you know you were on the straight and narrow and this happened to you because obviously it can!!!!!  I do know it is being investigated further and I think the conclusion should be posted to the public so everyone can see.  If anyone is overturned, QMA should issue public apologies to help correct this out of hand mess.  I know this seems that I have rambled on and on but it just upsets me bad to know this could easily have been me in this situation and having to explain to my kid what was going on.  Thanks for letting me vent!!

Well if it were me being accused and I knew I was 100% innocent, I would be with you throwing a fit and really stirring up some stuff to clear my name.

It’s that type of behavior and childish crap that is killing the sport and running members away.

Just look at our region, from 8 tracks with 9 races down to 4 tracks.  However, USAC’s point series for 2009 looks very much like the 2008 region 4 series did.  People don’t grow up fast and stop the personal attacks, witch hunts and acting stupid, it’s going to shrivel right up.

This is one of the reasons I want to know about tire treatment.  Is it safe or unsafe?  Can you pick it up off the track if someone else is using it enough for you to be accused cheating?   Was the equipment used adequate to detect?

When the gas is treated you can smell it and it actually burns your eyes.  I know you can see stuff that might indicate tire treatment and remember those complaining about the Ft. Wayne rumble trying to get the stuff off of their cars etc.  So there has to be some evidence unless it comes from the inside of the tire.  Yet we all know not all tests are 100%.

Then again where and when did the witch hunt start and why remains the underlying factor.  People are angry and rightfully so. 

You cannot make everyone be honest in racing or anything else all you can do is try.  However, innocent individuals need not be included in dishonesty.

let's not get off the point.It's in the rules.

Has far as my driver goes two things 1) The race was on along run.She fell back on the start. I beleive it was around 25 lap?don't know for sure. 2) Anybody that watched she ran the racetrack 1 car shorter than anybody else.Enough of my secrets got to go.

tires were taken at the turkey gobbler also. I think they took fast time and a main winners. I know they took both right sides. Those tires are going to be tested next I'm told.

There were 13 sets of tires taken 9 were illegal as was told all were right rear with the same chemical how is this possible?  Was this rigged?  Or was these people not in "THE CLICK"

That is my point LLR..
IT JUST MIGHT NOT BE IN THE TIRES!!
Need to watch some indoor tapes, my kid asks me when watching the races... Why is my line so dirrerent from everyone else?
No secret LLC !!

you can bet your a -------- had doped tires, he already has been busted for it. he lapped the field at the columbus indoors about 10 times in 20 laps. everyone forget about that. you think he just up and quit? come on people enough of the talk!!!

who are you ssssmoke to point people out??????????????

im ssssmoke and i tell it like i see it. 

yea like u SEE IT u dont no for sure....

wake up kickin wake up

i am you wake up this is kids and if someone is that stuip to do anything like that then that is crazy.  Just wake up and see some kids are good...

The problem in fact was not the tire dope it is that there are policies and procedures that are to followed in any org. and qma thinks the can do what ever they want to these people and the fact is without members there is no club and the kids lose there was no tire claim rule in effect and DP comes down and thinks he can do what ever well several people are NOT going to put up with it and the good ol boyz network any more.again they can break their on policies and procedures and we have to pay the price thats why NORTH CAROLINA PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR OTHER RACING VENUES

Dont know for sure but I dont think peterson had any tires taken?
Didnt see the results of the test on his tires , what did they find in them?

AMEN drakeo thank you!!!!!

IF you DONT KNOW for a FACt then why slander a famliy or a CHILDS Name

the kids are not rolling the dope on the tires, they are truely pure and honest in my eyes. he got busted for tire treatment at columbus indoors. HE CHEATED!!

why are we talking about peterson he was not even one of the 13.  we are talking about 9 kids and familys who did nothing wrong, procedures where not followed at ncqma at the fall nationals... ssssmoke get with it.....

just another qma scam. thats why most n.c. boys are going to run usac midwest series this year.

can u blame them....

not at all after going down there and seeing the cars push off and leave dark black spots on the surface. plus i like everyone that comes up, i think they are classy racers with excellent drivers. it makes the hottest qm racing in the country even hotter.

From what I heard, saw and have now heard about the DQ's it seems like QMA or someone had it out for a group of people.  I've seen some really good racers at NCQMA and that being NASCAR country I'm sure when new folks start they think they should run up front and if they can't they go and cry CHEATER.  The only thing I've heard is 9 sets were tested and 6 were found illegal, who knows if all of them were tested or not.  2 from 1 family and 8 other sets.  The math does not add up and why they took what.  Some pretty big names involved along with some racers with a pretty good record behind them.  Sounds like a fraud in the making.  Right rears illegal and not right fronts. 

SSSSMOKE..
How do you know peterson used track tac

ALL TIRES FROM DIFF car MANUFACTERS all right rears it was cold the cars would have went straight for the wall common sence ALL diff CLICKS and DIFF CLASSES     NO WAY and we cant even get these people to agree on toliet paper in NC and they were all doing the same thing on the same day YEAH RIGHT

sorry guys i get all worked up. the cars i put my racer in are legal so i have no problem calling out cheaters. i think the problem is its all behind closed doors and only certain people will get busted. i have decided that im going to push the tire testing at my home track so all children can enjoy this sport. also im going to push that all caught cheating be punished and posted on the web site. its either that or make it legal because what is in place now IS NOT WORKING.

i agree drakeo

Why do you change your post??
How do you know what peterson had in his tires in columbus?
Was the results published?

We have no problem with testing ,just do it right by the RULES.have a test that is legal and will not punish the wrong people.

I told smoke that trac tac was used. Another thing one of the busted tire cheaters is a reg officer.Come on april 4-5th usac race at buckeye.NC people drive up new track surface new safety barriers will be some good racing.

grteracer, Tust me the test was done right.Sealed box signed and tested by a rubber company.Stop the bs this is fact.......................................................................

Wonder how many knees will be sore from praying for bad weather April 4 and 5

So you know for a FACT that he used trac tac in his tires?

the big problems stem from consistancy if policies and procedures were inforced the same way all the time for everyone then the problems would police themselves. But no child should be suspended from anything at anytime out of malice or envy...I wish more people would thick about it....I dont see any of these big EGO parents out there racing QM's OR .25's

yep

That just showes you how good the test was,RIGHT?

does that answer your question qrtracer. drakeo, no kid should be punished but if the parents do that to them its thier own fault and they will have some explaining to do.

AAAAWWW yes it does!
Answers alot right there! LMAO

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

From watching and hearing the tire issue at fall nationals and we were not even lucky enough to be part of the group a list was made by someone within the carolina club and given to DP.  There were a bunch of tires floating around the next day in bags but from what I saw and heard the tires they tested got unmounted by someone else and the handlers never saw the tires after they were bagged.  Sounds like some sneaky stuff there.  Why would anyone prep after being warned in the handlers meeting unless they are reallyyyyyyyy dumb.  I know they are very competitive down there but there must be some real hate going on and it sounds like some innocence folks are getting screwed.  If there was really some prep on the track and the track did get really black during practice I'm sure some cars probably picked up something while others did not maybe that's why a few tested ok and only the RR's tested positive.  I'm no setup expert but if only the RR was prepped would that not make the car really handle horribly?  The QMA sniffer was never out and I heard it was never out all year long at the carolina track.  The sniffer was suppose to get rid of the bad stuff.  I thought most of the other stuff that was out there was really just cleaners and conditioners that could make the tire last longer.  Oh, save money, not in QMA.

Bottom line.. tests can be swayed.  We are are talking about the fall nationals in Nov. not Columbus indoors a year ago SSSSmoke.  Unless you actually seen the paper work from the testing company, don't spout off that you know what was in the tire.  Why would go and pull Peterson out of your A** anyway, apparently somewhere along the line he must have SSSSmoked you.  And the tires taken at NCQMA were dropped in a trash bag and carted to a trailer, How is that fool proof. Right rears and not right fronts geeeez. think about it!!! Again I was only referencing the ones I know got the shaft that were legal.  I would bet that the others are in the same boat and should do what they possibly can to prevent it again. "Taking one for the team" is not acceptable if you know you are right. 2nd offense is greater penalty when you don't desrve the first one.  There is a lot of good talent coming out of NC as well as clubs across the country and the Kids should not suffer because of it.  Take your whoopings and be a man, don't cry foul if you can't win.  Good luck on enforcing the tire rule at your track, I would not want that nightmare.  As far as Peterson is concerned,  I think Kyle is a class act and can flat drive a racecar.  Maybe that is why my son asked him to drive his "LEGAL" cars to two A-main victories and a track record when he was recovering from an injury.(figured it out yet). My son respects the kids on the track and looks up to a big majority of them.  If my son wins and is called a cheater because he is guilty by association, then so be it.  Be proud of the Kids accomplishments and don't make blame.  I want to be competitive and have fun at the same time while building family morale and making lifetime friends in a sport my son has a passion for.   SAVE THE SPORT!!!

But why would a National Techeeee mess up the very procedure ??  that could make an example of cheaters .. ie dopers??

Sounds like he ahhhhhhhhhhhh had his own agenda...  but now you can even protest cause its a no appeal right??

It took a long time to get there, but right there is where you and your test are wrong.I know for a fact that peterson didnt EVER use Trac Tac on his stuff! The FACT that there was some detected showes you that the test will be wrong.
If you have 1 car running with prep on their tires that will spred all through the field.
Brake fluid has the SAME cemicals in in that are used in tire prep!! (WHY DO YOU THINK IT GETS RUBBER DOWN SO GOOD?)
The big problems stem from consistancy if policies and procedures were inforced the same way all the time for everyone then the problems would police themselves.
They have a rule book ...follow the testing procedures and thats it.

 :)  Ok so you say follow the rule book.. as you said that would be nice but the rule was not followed.. for taking tires and testing.. so how can the results be valid??  and there is no appeal process right??    Now there are famlies that are out there that are marked as "cheaters" who may not have cheated but, indeed were a part of a very flawed process !! with no way to have it made right..

That is exactly what I am talking about.
It started last year at Columbus!

FOLLOW THE RULE BOOK !

grteracer boy are you a fool. I know for a fact that track tac was used.I have prove. Your right my kid did get smoked by him cheating so did the 2007 eastern grands champion in hvy honda.And that kid is one of the best 1/4 midget drivers ever. I have a ? for you why did he spin out and get blacked flagged in hvy 160 at the same race? Answer he didn't have his tires.Even though he tryed to get them.

Now here comes the name callen!! :o
NO there was not any trac tac put in by the handler. FACT!
No he didnt spin out,he started last on the field and was up to third and got a bogus call,but that is how it goes. He pulled in and DID NOT get Black flagged!
Never did want to use his tires in the 160 race,dont know where you got that.

Thie is where your test are wrong with your facts.
Track tac was not used by this handler!!

LLR
I feel alot of HATE here and this is not about peterson it is about the people that have been wronged by a test that is not positive at all !! Lets all get togather and find a way to police this problem !! If he is right and there was not any trac tac in his tires put in by him,It had to come from somewhere! Just because the test shows it there does not mean the handler put it there !
All QMA and Region 4 has done is point the finger all year and not thought ,maybe he is right there is flaws in are testing! NOW you have 9 other familys that claiming legal(again I know for a FACT that 3 or 4 Had NOTHING in them at the Fall Nationals).
Did you ever stop to ask him for help instead of pointing and calling names?
JMO

Yes mistakes do happen, look at the recall of the 20 blue restrictor plates for being the wrong size.  Were they recently made the wrong size and someone caught it or were these from way back when, and if so, how did they find it and how do they know there are exactly 20 out there?

They should publish everything in regards to testing tires, what the normal ranges are and exactly what they are doing for testing.  There should also be some very strict bagging, sealing and signing going on so the tires cannot be tampered with once taken off the wheels, by the handler.  Nobody else should touch them and they should never leave anyone’s site until properly bagged and sealed.

Nothings perfect but the issue needs to be policed and we need to find a good way of doing it.

I never said that he put it in.He could have ordered them that way.

all im saying is you get busted cheating your a cheater, its black and white fellas, i know your in denial i can tell by your defensive and angry replies. sorry im just not one to sugarcoat stuff. i bet you also think barry bonds didnt do steroids right? right. my point is dont cheat, enjoy the sport, and thank god everyday you have this time with your children. then you can sleep good tonight. i do.  good night slim!

ssssmoke ----all im saying is you get busted cheating your a cheater, its black and white fellas,
OMG !!!  dont you get it !!  Some folks here did not CHEAT !!! No how the heck can you look your kid in the FACE... whats to enjoy there ! 

scott you have a point how does dp know there 20? USAC got the best pr department. The stupid a.. people from natl.

im not saying that at all, i know of one getting busted for a fact at columbus indoors. all im saying is a cheater is a cheater im not saying everyone is. we beat cheaters more times than not anyhow. dont matter much to me. i think most of the nc racers that come up are the best to race with and dont suspect any foul play at all.

WOW You just can't fix it can you?! ::)
Its just to bad that all this is going down and people dont have a clue!
What part of not EVER using Track tac dont you understand?
Didnt use it , buy it , Have someone else put it on, Call trach tac and ask if he ever purchased it!

No angry posts here,Thats where LMAO means, dont really care about his deal ,just want to prevent this happening like this again.But other people would rather point fingers and call names instead of fixing the problem.
Some people Quit a head position and some keep trying to help!
Guess i'm just trying to help.

SSSSmoke:  An absolute ridicilous statement it sounds like you watched everyone at Fall Nats prep the tires and witnessed everyone of the tires being tested at the lab with your cheating statement.  Maybe you need to go have a sssssmooookeeee with a swimmer. 

Goffin20 hit the nail right on the head.  Tires were bagged with wheels.  Then they were somewhere unbagged, unmounted and the handlers never saw them so who knows what really happened.  Your correct nothing is perfect but when your talking suspensions and fines you need to eliminate all doubt not introduce doubt at every level.  Sounds like a bunch of folks behind some truly illegal activity not tire prepping. 

Here is a new spin on thing.  They already judged who was going to be illegal and someone gets to pocket all the fine money.  huh.  No wonder they like those jobs.

I absolutely am not in denial.  There are cheaters among us all.  But it is not as black and white as you see it.  There are truely some( not all) innocent people getting bashed for no reason.  They should have the right to defend themselves and clear their name.  Ask yourself why the results from tires claimed in Nov. are issued the day after the new "no Appeal" rule goes in effect.  I see alot of people are opening up to the ideas that things could have went wrong and it is not black and white.  But right now ssssmoke a person might as well be talking to a sack of taters than trying to convince you otherwise.  But truth will prevail, and when it does I hope your tune changes to the fact that maybe it isn't all that black and white or at least be man enough to admit so.  I have no earthly idea who you are but would like to talk to you person to person professionally if the opportunity ever arises.  Maybe you can find me at a racing event sometime soon.  I am grateful to have the opportunity to race against the good ol' boys at NC.  I know my son isn't to the level or caliper of most of these kids, but the competition and made him grow leaps and bounds in the short time we have been in this sport.   What I think is neat about it is the way they encourage him and acknowledge him when he does perform well against them in competition.  That sense of pride he feels at those times are well worth the effort we put into it.  Thank you guys and without calling names you all know who you are.  Don't change a thing.    

slow down fellas im not even talking about the nc race dont know nothing about it i think we are on a different page  sorry. when i refer to a cheater im omly talking about the one case i know for a fact that it was proven by people i know and trust ( at col. indoors). as for the scam you guys are talking about sounds very fishy to me.  another qma scam? dont doubt it

gee now you know why I did not mention any names. You guys are worse than taking my mother in law to an Octoberfest party

Slow down all of you.  I certainly do not like the management techniques of the current BOD of QMA.  I think we all agree there has to be some kind of testing on a regular basis that is as fair as it can be.  Nothing and I mean nothing is 100% positive in this life. 

The world unfortunately is full of cheaters and our children are going to run into them frequently and cheaters learn from cheaters.  Sure we all would like to see our children be the best in anything they do but that is just not possible.  All we can do is encourage them to do the best they can and if they get cheated then support them.

As to testing there just has to be a way that it is done that will give the best results possible with accurate labeling possibly with the handler observing or witnesses to this then the tests performed.  However, no appeal seems to me to be from a dictorial state not the USA.  Not that an appeal would ever work with this current bunch.

Now my next question is how is USAC going to handle this?  Guess on this blog that should be answered.  Especially since we do have coming up some important races.

I did like one gentlemen's way of handling the doctored fuel situation and that was to stop the race have everyone empty their gas into one can then redistribute all that gas back in everyone's gas tank and race away that way everyone had the same.  Can't do that with tires though but everyone will be running the same tires so that is at least a positive step in my opinion.

I have seen a few of the NC drivers and they all appear to be super drivers and handlers super individuals; however, just like the Reg. 4 drivers there are cheaters here also and probably in every region there is.

Bless you all for having such a impact on our future citizens no matter where you live.  Stop and think about how many young people would give anything to have their Dads involved in their lives.

I remain that 69 year old grandmother on one super girl driver of whom I am so very proud.

 :)Firsts of all thanks to everyone for understanding that in there was something very wrong with the testing procedure...in NC.. :o
I hope that someway somehow it can be corrected..  All my life .. I have tried to be honest.. to do the so called"right thing"..   But what happened in NC was wrong !!!  it really made examples of all.. you know ...the guilt by association..

 And as I have said just how do you look a child in the face and tell them... we were legal .. when you know you were.. but the test were saying YOU were a cheater !!!  then you have no way to prove you did not CHEAT !!  What does that teach our kids.. what form of honor is in that?  Are you the cheater or is the very organazation that you put so much time energy and effort to follow its rules the cheater... NO WINNER here !!!  How ever it does show that is the perfect world things are not so perfect.. then you simply ly down and take your beating OR you stand up !!!!!!  Lie I say its about your kid  so what would you do ????? ;)

Guess maybe I should not have been so vocal about this being I was not directly involved. But, only by chance I wasn't.  I am just upset that some truely innocent folks are dealing with this and could have been me.  I do love love the sport and hope to continue as much as the economy will allow me.  Just wanted the fence stradlers to keep open minds and not commit all these folks from the nationals before hearing all the facts.  Friendly competition keeps the drive going and I hope to be racing with you guys in the near future.  By the way hows the weather looking in Columbus for next weekend?  Peace to all. I WANNA GO FAST!!!

Marty and Joshua Rummage
North Carolina

right now its looking like 40s. also this next race will be states race format check out the bqmra website for info.

So this tire test that was done  was done this way.And if I'm not correct help me understand.

Tire were removed from car with rim at the request from DP?

They were then put in a plastic back?

Were they mark?(handler/car # and class)

RR only?one tire per bag?

Then it was taken to a trailer to dismount?

Who's trailer? Was the handler of the cars present?

Then was the tire put into a box right there and sealed?



please help me and alot of people understand this.

The process was this...

Top five qualifiers right side tires were impounded after class qualifying.  Tires were left on the rims and put into plastic bags which were then sealed with duct tape and name of driver & class written on the tape.  The tires were then taken to the tech room where they remained (under lock & key) until Saturday when DP arrived.  He was given access to the trailer so that he could inspect the tires.  It was DP's decision alone as to whose tires would be sent to the lab for testing.

Hope this helps.

sounds fishy to me

If you put tires in plastic bags or wrap them in plastic the tires will absorb the plasticisors out of the plastic the same way a tire picks up crap off the racetrack.

Phil,
That is 2 main wrong things about this tire test.
IT is BAD technique.
I've been saying right along people are going to get thrown
out that have done nothing. Been saying that for a year now but I am lieing!
Now way have more familys that have been punished!
No one wants to listen,they want to punish who ever beat there little johnny!

"He was given access to the trailer so that he could inspect the tires."

Was he accompanied by anyone and was the handler also present during inspection and were they rebagged and resealed with all still present?

Scott, I'm beginning to think you have trust issues. :-)

Guess you don’t know me well Myron,  I don’t trust ANYONE and have always taken every measure possible to protect myself and others from wrong doing and so should they.  ;-)

I have never disciplined or terminated anyone without following the correct procedures and having the necessary documentation to protect myself and justify my actions.

Guess I should say except my wife just in case she ever reads these posts or someone shows her...LOL

1.Handler was not present during inspection
2.Both right side tires in one BAG
3.Handler was not present when dismounting
4, Gave handler back ripped open bag with wheels in the ripped apart bag
5. Some markings(seals) tampered with.

Uhhhh, by "terminated" you do mean removed from employment, don't you? Or do I need to start being really, really, really, nice to you?

I don’t have that much Italian in me, or do I?  ;-)

Nothing about this is right and I hate to say it there is nothing you can do about it with QMA.

phil your right. thanks for the info. That test is total bull sh__ . but does anybody expect any different.The handler should have been there................ What a joke. I know one person who got caught he deserve every thing he gets but for the rest of you.That test was bs..

your right phil, i think the best thing is to let it go as another bad qma experience and join usac and hope they handle things better.

Ok,  been reading this post.  Had to put in my 2 cents!

Someone got this thing started, asked for info, then claimed he knew more and would fill us all in after work.  Then made a remark about how everyone else was acting after he got them all fired up.

In the handler meeting it was never mentioned that the tires would be sent off for more tests.  It was only said that the A main cars would have their tires impounded for further examination.  After qualifying all the tires were bagged, sealed, initialed, and locked up.  National tech along with local tech then inspected tires and decided that some needed to be sent out for more testing at a lab.

The folks who had been using prep thought probably thought they would get away with it….just like they had been for some time.  They most likely never considered that the tires would be sent to the lab.

Tire prep has been a HUGE problem in region 3 and at nc for a long time.  Just go to any of the tracks and look for yourself.  There are usually plenty of black marks leading onto the track and in the pit area.   Cars have been seen in the pit area with wet tires, some handlers won't even touch their own tires without using rubber gloves!

I fail to see how this can be called a "scam", or a "witch hunt".  National tech came to enforce a rule and look into the situation for themselves.  They along with the nc track should be commended for stepping up and confronting this!  Not beat down for making the race fair!

Someone said they knew for sure that 9 of the families were not cheating.  How do they know this?  Did they unbox the tire, unwrap the tire, mount the tires.

You can't get "stuff" into your tire just by driving around the track and behind someone with prepped tires.  Most all of us know that it takes a pretty good amount of time and work to get prep into a tire.  Even if your driving through puddles of "stuff" there is no way you can get enough to change the chemical make up of your tires!

A baseline tire had to be used..........that's how a baseline is created.  If the test was inaccurate, or the results wrong how did 4 or 5 tires match the baseline tire and be legal?
Somebody even admitted that they had been caught!  The test is legitimate.

What was found in whose tire makes no difference.  If anything was found in a tire that  was not in the baseline tire, or the 4 or 5 legal tires  it is ILLEGAL! PERIOD!   TracTac, Venom Juice, Got Bite, Simple Green, Hot Lap, Brake Fluid, Goat Pee, Olive Oil, Kwik Lap, whatever it is….makes no difference.  If it’s not in the baseline tire, it doesn’t belong in the test tire.

What is it that sounds fishy?  Tires were impounded, inspected, and some were sent for more testing.  Do some of you believe that your tires were tampered with?  Did Bigfoot do it?   Come on! cut the BS!

Lots of talk about following  the rulebook, and following  the procedure.  Sounds like if everyone was following the rulebook the procedure would have never been an issue.

It is very hard to read all this and think that everyone involved is innocent, and then trying to make it out that they are the victims here.  What about all the kids and families that have been racing legal and wondering what in the world they have to do to beat so and so, or what does it take to make an A main??   Some of them giving up without knowing they had been cheated.

I have to believe that tech and the lab did everything in their power to ensure these tests were accurate and done properly.  Given the time it took to get the results they most likely reviewed the tests several times, and probably even performed more tests when they got the original results.  I am reasonably sure that there was no hidden agenda, or private list.
 
Race legal or go home!  There is plenty of cheating in adult life and grown up sports. We don’t need any cheaters in a sport for KIDS!!!!!!!

If indeed some of these people were innocent I really hope their name can be cleared and this situation fixed.  No person especially a child should be punished for a mistake.

Those are my thoughts.

seems like the handlers should be able to witness tire inspections or tires being put in sealed box. do you know if they were?

Great 2 cents brt, you know that real racers come to race and cheaters come to wine and complain about rules and procedures. They always try to buck the system. I always fill sorry for kids when i see parents acting stupid!! Leave the handlers at home and let the kids race, easy fix. :D

you know how funny it is you guys are talking so much about Qma and region 3 if you were not there and dont know the facts then how can you judge or add your 2 cents the BS stops when the green flag drops

actually thats when the bs starts

not for the kids and there the ones we are out there for the problem begins when people
cant stand to get beat

brt, Most of what you said is true.  But again, I ask you if you know you did not do anything and were 100% legal how would you feel and act in this situation?  I do hope the innocent can get their names cleared or at least put up a good fight trying even though it probabally will not do any good.  At least they can feel good about the effort.  To answer your question...Yes I did assist in unwrapping and mounting some of the tires claimed illegal right before the race. No not all nine, but I am only referencing those I know personally about.  One more thing brt.  Why only right rears?  You seem smart enough to know that doesn't make sense and yes people should know the exact results of a tests they are being punished for.  [/b] (Brian Vickers) and we can all continue to do what we enjoy doing with our families.

So nobody was given the test data just a suspension?

brt, the only thing I don't agree with this test about is the handler was not there other than that will see the cheaters in 30 days.

just wandering what is USAC's policy for testing tires?  USAC is going to have to be proactive in trying to keep tire treatment from getting out of control.

Any more news ?

I apologize for not weighing in on this sooner.  I just found out about this thread this evening and feel that the truth about several things have been conveniently omitted by QMA and needs to be addressed.  First let me introduce myself, my name is Bill Miller and I served as the NCQMA Race Director last year. For those of you who know me, you know that I have never been one to hide behind a screen name.

First let me clarify that, Yes, Tire Doping is an issue at NCQMA, but I have personally witnessed the same issue at several other tracks over the last couple of years, so it isn't an isolated issue, it exits in every region that I have visited in the last two years both as a competitor and a spectator.

Before the racing season began last year I learned that the World Karting Association had decided to drop the JTR Eagle, as it was not effective against the new generation of tire preps the karting community had developed since its adoption in 2006.  Armed with this information, I notified both Region 3 (Wade Williams) and QMA (Dave Preston) that this was an issue that had to be addressed immediately.  Their response was, simply put, "tell us what we can do."  I spent the next several weeks developing a tire claimer rule and claim form to put the policing of the situation in the hands of the competitors and I sent copies to Region 3 and QMA and then presented it to the NCQMA Club meeting in June.  At that meeting there was a motion to adopt it as a local rule for NCQMA.  The measure was put to a vote and was adopted by NCQMA, UNANIMOUSLY!  I was floored and extremely exited to say the least.  This was the club system working at its best, an issue was identified, a corrective measure developed, and a new rule was adopted.

Less than two weeks later, I was contacted by a representative from Region 3 telling me that our local rule was null and void and that we would not be supported in any way by either Region 3 or the QMA National Board should we try to enforce it, that they would handle the situation.  About this time QMA published the QMA Tire rule establishing that a Safety Director or Tech Director could confiscate tires if the tires did not meet durometer or sniffer range parameters OR if they "felt" that there was "something" amiss with the tires, I called this the "Calibrated Eyeballs" test.  Per the QMA rule, NCQMA then confiscated two sets of tires and forwarded them to Mr. Preston for further evaluation and testing.  The club was not provided any test results for over THREE MONTHS, and even then the response was that they were "Okay".  No analysis data was ever returned to the club nor was any additional information provided.

Now we come to the Fall Nationals.  The day before the Fall Nationals, Chris Murray approached both Chris Brawley (Club VP) to inform him of Mr. Preston's "covert" arrival, that he did not want anyone to know he was coming and what he wanted done regarding Tire impound after qualifying.  This begs the question as to why Mr. Murray, who held no office (NCQMA, Region 3, or QMA) in 2008, was contacted by Mr. Preston regarding this visit and not the local officials.  During the driver/handler meeting, I outlined the impound procedures to the competitors and was interrupted by a gentleman, who I was later told was Tad Fiser, stating that that was not what Dave Preston had wanted or said.  Again the question is how, at that point in time, did Mr. Fiser fit into this "Surprise Inspection".  Tires were impounded; Tires were confiscated and shipped off.  There were serious chain of custody issues, one competitor told me at the Banquet about his tires, they were impounded and he was told that they were being sent for testing.  When he inquired about them, he was told that they didn't take his tires for testing.  Hmmmm?  By the way, if you're wondering, I didn't have tires involved.

The testing results were not provided to the club until February of this year, nearly three months after they had been confiscated.  The excuse provided was that it was a lot of tires, and testing like this takes time.  By my experience, a core sample has to be taken from each tire, the sample then has to be prepared and the tests run.  If the samples are batch run, testing should have been completed on 26 tires (we don't even know for certain how many tire were tested) in less than one week.  How do I know this?  I worked up the tire testing timeline with FAI Labs in Marietta, GA when I wrote the original tire claimer rule (Is that the Lab that QMA is using?  FAI Labs can't tell me due to a confidentiality agreement that is in place with QMA, you be the judge)

Finally, the new tire claimer rule that is in place for the 2009 season, I, in all honesty, had considered legal action against Mr. Preston and QMA.  The rule as adopted by QMA is the rule that I wrote last year, and while I did use the Honda Claimer rule as a template, I do most sincerely object to Mr. Preston and QMA publishing it with his initials on it, leading everyone to believe that it is his creation.  After all, intellectual properties do have value, if nothing more than for ones reputation.  But, aside from petty revenge against a couple of individuals there's no point to it. 

We've sold one Prowler and have three more and some spare parts left if anyone's interested.  We could have spent another year with my son. My daughter had expressed a desire to drive (she's eight) but after having dealt with QMA, Region 3, and NCQMA’s cliques we've had enough.  We'll be racing something else later in the year.  For those of you who helped, Thank You.  For those of you who preferred to stand around telling jokes and laughing while a handful of members struggled to get the track back in shape after rains came, I appreciate the opportunity to show my kids the kind of people that I'm hoping they never become.  QMA, Region 3 and NCQMA have taken something that was fun and turned it ugly, but the thing that bothers me most is that I feel I have to defend my and my family’s reputation from guilt by simple association.

If you've read this far, again I would like to thank the visiting competitors who helped out at the 2008 Carolina Fall Nationals, your help was sincerely appreciated by myself and my family.

bill, first let me start by saying nice letter.The second is I totally agree with your letter.My name is Chuck Longbrake from reg 4 (not no more due to qma/reg4 bod)I along with another family have gotten my membership none renewed.It kills me how guys like yourself work hard to try to make 1/4 midgets better and get slapped in the face.Bill I all I can say to you is thanks for the hard work and good luck. P.s. is there anyway possible I could see your tire claim? Thanks again for your hard work.

Bill thanks for the post. This is just the sort of thing that everyone needs to be listening to. More and more people need to start to speak up and take back control of Quarter Midget racing like you have done. This type of thing has been going on across the country by QMA. With Charlie Cagle unable to control the National Board you have people like Dave Preston along with others that just do as they please. They will tell you that QMA is run by the members.....yeah right. If QMA continues down the path they are on now it will NEVER survive. QMA also backs Regional boards like the new Region 4 board that act very unprofessional and unethical. Good luck with your future in racing.
Eric Rankine

Is it me or does the current R2 NBoD act more like a Mofia than the directors of a kids organization?  Kickbacks, vendettas, and personal agendas come more and more into play EVERY WEEK.  Seems like there are new stories all the time of the corruption that happens all or for the sake "of the kids"  I am just so happy that USAC came along to try to save the racing.  I just hopw that all the good people have not been run off by the politics and other BS.

Brad

brad they have ran off all the good people, thankfully to usac. reg 4 is just as bad if not worse. i am very thankful of the usac .25 program, looks to be heading in the right direction in a big way.

If you think it is only Reg. 2 think again.  Just go to the Reg 4 web page and read the warning posting.  Amazes me!  You cannot support another organization BUT you can race there.  Now since when is paying your racing fees not supporting????

PLUS I must add the ever so used statement that "BEING A MEMBER OF QMA IS A PRIVILEGE" when it is rather a requirement to race.  Yet it is wrong to be a member of another organization or support another organization and be a member of QMA!

I wasn't saying that R2 is a bad region.  I was referring to the fact that the majority of the NBoD is from one track in that region.  That is why I call them the R2NBoD.  Would it be better to call it QMR2 instead of QMA?  The current R4 board is just a bunch of puppets for them.  The grands were awarded to Mini-indy in order to keep them in QMA for another 2 years.  Plain and simple.   

agree

WOW :o Race director spills the truth.....
There is more, but will it come out?

Anyone notice the brand of cars he is selling?
Wonder if that is why he was not in the NCQMA’s cliques?

Back to a witch hunt!!

Anyone find it odd that qrteracer is a guest and hasn't registered as a member of this site? It is odd to me that he knows so much about what Peterson uses or doesn't use when cheating (and he does cheat - no one is that stupid JP)! Strange to me that he is so defensive when Peterson's name is brought up? Just an observation while reading this thread.  ::)

are you saying thats him? if not, it is!  confirmed!

To: Chuck Longbrake - I do still have copies of the original Tire Claimer Rule - shoot me an email  (monroe_miller@yahoo.com) with your address and I'll be glad to forward you a copy.  Thanks, Bill Miller

thanks bill

Brad, I feel the need to point out that R2NBOD (as you call them) had nothing to do with Mini-Indy getting the nod for 2010 Eastern Grands or not. Those voting on where the E. Grands would be were the eastern regional directors and one vote from the NBOD. The NBOD members from Oaklane did not vote towards the NBOD decision because Oaklane had a bid in for the event as well.

I'm sure it's all plainly outlined in the national meeting minutes for everyone......oh, wait. Never mind.

ssssmoke, I'm saying that is JP. I've heard that they are one of the ones suspended for doping at the fall nationals. The people defending him are either doing it with him or idiots.

i cant speak for whats happening in n.c. but it was definately confirmed at the col. indoors last year HE GOT BUSTED!!  once someone does that how can you trust them?  i know i dont.

You can say what you want about the votes for Eastern Grands.  The NBoD had direct influence over 3 votes.  Regions 4,2 and their own vote. I would be willing to be 1.00 that they told Mini Indy that if they stayed in QMA that the NBoD would get them enough votes to get the grands.  QMA NEEDS Mini-Indy to stay in QMA.  If Mini-Indy left then R4 would almost certainly go ALL USAC.

For some crazy reason QMA thinks it is the LAW... Hope some one puts them to the test ! Rules are rules and procedures need to be followed..  As the Race Director said there were issues.. and the National Director is the one who failed.. and the suspensions were handed out..  Wonder what the real law will say??? QMA and NCQMA  ?? Hope someone deals you the real JUSTICE !! Cheaters are cheaters and will cheat again.. but to those that did not cheat and are a product of a witch hunt and SCAM . GET MAD !!  Why have a bad mark on your good record ?? You know all you have is your good Name.. Just look on this list of the names that have been named and the feelings folks have against cheaters..  So if you did not foul... Raise hell... ::):-*

"For some reason QMA thinks it is the LAW" 

You said a mouthfull there. With the continued medeling of QMA national and Region 4 in club business, Orange Show leaving QMA, NCQMA not happy, and other clubs and members being messed with, you can only wonder whats next.

HMMM!!

buckeye was next. they told qma take your charter and shove it! as of now i hear they are outlaw.

http://www.usacracing.com/clubpage?cn=Buckeye%20Quarter%20Midget%20Racing%20Association

Midwest has many options for racing  http://www.usacracing.com/quarter_midgets/districts/midwest.html

It will be a great spring and summer.  If anyone has not raced the Mid Ohio clubs you are missing out on a bunch of fun.  Mac O chee has a great place to camp as does Miami Valley.  Kids have a lot of fun after racing even the crazy adults who will often have green machine races.  Balls often are flying in the air with the kids playing all sorts of sports.  Families cooking.  By the way Mac O Chee has a super great ice cream place just down the road.  Not uncommon to see a group of kids with an adult driving going to get ice cream. 

So pack up and come on down or up whichever and have a great weekend. ;D

granny you aint helpin my cabin fever much at all !!!!!!!  lol

Just dream Smoke!  Plus suppose to be 70 this weekend so it is coming.  You got the cars ready?  Best do it if not just around the corner. ;D

QMA found the same thing in all the tires at N.C. and Al.
They dont know why that cemical is there and will not give any test results to the handlers, or tell them what they found.
Why all the hush hush?

What is usac's testing policy?
Sure hope they can get it right!!

ummmm. the tires from Al have not been tested

Yes I believe they did them all, that is what I was told!
But it is QMA you only get half the truth!

If they tested the Al ones they must of all paased because I'm still racing and some of mine were taken

Besides that, they couldn't have found the same thing in all the NC tires because 4 or 5 of the ones from the Fall Nationals were LEGAL!!!!!!!  As in NOTHING DIFFERENT FROM THE BASELINE TIRE!!!!!

Cut the BS they got busted, it's over!

You people dont have a clue!!! ::)
THE NEXT TIME IT COULD BE YOUR TIRES !

Enjoy QMA !
Wish there was a USAC track in Charlotte area!

no problem take my tires , I can sleep at night , I have used tire prep for years. When they said to not use on the grounds I put it on at  home .They came up with the joke tester I switched brands. When they said they said were going to send them of to a lab I quit cold turkey. I had to adapt to set up and my tire bill went to the moon. But yes I'm legit now. USAC  or QMA can't stop it all together.  But sending them off will create a level playing field.

PS don't give the crap about the safety issue, Have the seen the junk they serve at the conncession stand LOL

D-Train,

We do get it!  We got it a couple of years ago when tire prep got banned.  We quit using it.

The people that don't get it are the ones that still use it!

Take my tires, any of them, all of them!  They will be clean, and have been clean!

The game is up.  Quit complaining and crying foul!

brt

If it is on the track it is in your tires!!
You do not have to use it ,if someone else is using it it will show up on your tires!! FACT

You're wrong.  There is NO WAY I can get enough prep into my tires to change the chemical makeup just from following your tires around the track.

Anyone that knows about prep knows it takes DAYS of work and rolling and wrapping  and re-coating to get the prep IN the tire.

We aren't talking about the "topical" preps that make the tires sticky for 2 laps.  LISTEN..........the tires that were tested and found ILLEGAL showed a different CHEMICAL MAKEUP than the baseline tire, and the 4 or 5 that tested LEGAL.

You guys are going to have to get over this!  Your speed "secret" got found out.  Like most of us didn't know anyway.  The party is over. Go to work and get fast legally.

brt

NO sorry I am RIGHT ! It has and will happen again with this (my little johnny got beat) testing.

If you are not with the right people or CHASSIS, you are cheating if you are winning. FACT

QMA, NCQMA = JOKE

GO USAC........ Come to North Carolina ......PLEASE!!

Well fact is USAC will not tolerate tire treatment either so best cheaters be aware.

I am sure they will be on the look out guess Tampa will be the first race to see if anyone tries then yells foul.

Then on to Ohio so we will see.  Tire prep is tire prep no matter how you do it.  Chemicals are chemicals and tests are tests.

well phaster, your doing the same thing, your quote "hiding behind" a screen name too.

no, brt or whoever u really r u need to get over this.  my speed "secret" is my kid.  u seem to know alot of the facts were u in the room with DP? 

this topic has been looked at almost 4500 times.  you guys vote usac, get rid of the politics, get your cars ready, race.  its simple!!

d-train you put something on your post that might make people think you used prep.You said "if it's on the track it's in your tires" tire prep just doesn't go in your tires YOU have to put it there. Now someone in reg4 got busted and he deserves it.He puts it on/in and also puts stuff in his gas that will make your eyes burn.He is a CHEATER period.That's why he doesn't want usac because it's not no 30 day tech it's one year pack your stuff and you have one year to explain to your kid that you don't have a clue how to get the car to handle.Usac please erase this post the people that got busted there 30 days should be up.

Yes LLR we have used prep in the past, as have you !
Yes you will pick up anything that is on the track,you dont have to soak it or wrap it or take two weeks to make it work.
All I am saying is if a tire is ran on a track the chemical of that tire has changed from that as in a new tire (which is their "test" tire).You have to compare to a known not preped tire that has ran in that race!
If a tire is ran on a track that has prep on the track from another car,60 to 70% of the tires will come back ilegal.

ASK ANY CHEMIST !!
Have anyone talked to a prep company?

Quite frankly I am getting a little tired of these excuses for being charged with illegal tire prep.  If the handling of the taken tires was not done correctly then that is another issue.

First of all the amount of time necessary to completely prep the tire is more that any racer would come in contact with the tire prep on the ground.  Thus the inside of the tire would not show the prep coming through.  That is common sense.

Secondly, because you care less about the chemical and the safety do not assume that EVERYONE has or is using tire prep.  There are many handlers that would much rather keep their drivers safe and spend the money on the many tires required to run multiple races.  This includes LLR whom you are so sure he has used tire prep.  Think again!

Third, try prepping the tires and run USAC I dare you!

I've got a question!!! I've never used tire prep but with everything going on I thought I should ask!!! OK I don't have a lot of money so when I buy a set of tires we run them until the seams are showing and I mean showing!!! So when that happens sometimes I have to use fix a flat to keep air in them. So my question is that legal or not since it a chemical.

Hopefully this is a trick question and your being sarcastic.  ;-P

I would believe that fix a flat would not be recommended to use.  They say to only use water, mild detergent, tire snot etc to mount tires and water and mild detergent to clean the outside of them for the dirt racers.

I would not recommend putting anything but air or nitrogen inside your tires.  And if the cords are showing, I would suggest not racing on them to prevent an accident should it blow out during a race which could injure not only your driver but put other drivers and spectators in harms way.

d-train your totally wrong about me I have never used tire prep in my life I love my kids too much. take your 30 days and shut up about it.It should be about over.I will tell you the same thing I told another guy I will give you all my tires you pay to test them and if they have stuff on them or in them I'll pay it...You better have a big check book I have alot of tires from last year and there's alot of people on here that know me and will tell you I buy alot of tires.NOT tire prep.

LOL...... OK  ;)
I didnt know I was talking to one all mighty!
Mr never done nothing wrong ;D

My stuff wasnt taken so you are wrong there.
Guess this sport will never learn with bone heads in charge!!

then stop whinning obout it. next topic please

this has become a joke all of the ones that think these people are whinning get real YOU could be you next and it doesnt matter if you are doping or not if they want you out there is nothing in place to protect you or your child from being accused quilty or not !!! alot of people think they know and have no idea what makes them liable in the real LAW not there make believe world. The fact is rules were made with ways to take tires and the ones who took the tires didnt follow that (thank you Bill Miller for the facts and telling the truth although some CANT or will not hear the truth)there for the rest is null and void yes the people are back on the track by now but thats not going to make being suspended any better it has taken away from these kids records and alot are CHAMPS at NCQMA and that in its self is a amazing thing..NOTHING SHOULD BE TAKEN FROM THE KIDS JUST BECAUSE A FEW CANT STAND TO BE BEATEN...OR THAT SOMEONE WAS BETTER ON THAT DAY its kids racing no ones going to jump from QM's or .25's straight to nascar no matter what we believe

Phaster
They will not listen! ::)  THEY WILL NOT LISTEN  :o Untill it happens to them !!

Just do not dominate a certain chassis and you will be all right!! :-*

Or move on to a better form of racing!! ;D
 
JMO.........................

You know some people thaT RESPONDED TO THIS POST COULD HAVE BEEN ACCUSED of doping tires and I do feel bad for those kids.Those of which that did it and got busted take your punisment and go on.If you guys in nc don't like the way qma  did it then bounce there a.. out of there. You don't need them period. All the nice stuff and place you have there you guys can afford the insurance and if not then don't spend money on something and pay the difference.Buckeye is indepentant and is doing just fine.They control everything.qma what a joke.Tick tock

LLR, I really dont think the NC guys are complaining about who treats tires and who dont, that point on here has been beat to death. The real issue is the whole big picture of QMA doing whatever they want, to whomever they want, and make up rules and procedures along the way. There WILL be people that get nailed for treated tires when they are not, and probably for the wrong colored silver on your WF fan shroud, not having the "proper" QMA approved scatter shield, not wearing a head sock, fuel tank too big and for GODS SAKE dont let your boss put you in a position where you might do work for USAC, that could be taken that you are promoting the "OTHERS", and yank your membership!! When will it end?

I think that was LLR's point, if you feel that QMA is the problem, is not being fair or is singling people out or has personal agendas, eliminate the problem.

If McDonalds keep screwing up my order, Ill just go over to Burger King, problem solved.

We, the Bennetts from Orlando, Florida were also accused of being illegal also at the Fall Nationals in North Carolina.  I know for a fact that we were not doping our tires.  When we first arrived at the track, I was sitting in the truck after the long ride up and watch Dave Preston snooping around Wendy and Bruce Bennetts cars.  I set there wondering what he was up to, he never he seen me.  He started to walk off and came back and went around our cars again.  Later, we attended the meeting when they announced that tires were going to be taken that day, etc.  Before, Wendy and Bruce, Jr. even went out on the track, their tires were checked in the pits with the tester, they were fine.  Then, after qualifying and racing in the C-Main, Wendy and Bruce, Jr. came across the scales, and Dave Preston was there to take Wendy's tires.  Bruce, Sr. was too busy getting the cars ready for the next race, so DP had Bruce, Jr. to go to the trailer to watch them dismount tires from the rim.  Bruce, Jr said, the guy who dismounted Wendy's tires did not have gloves on and his hands weren't clean.  He took the two tires and put them in one bag and sealed it with tape.  Dave Preston told me, Debbie that I needed to bring him our information on our membership.  I ran to the trailer and got all our information and searched the track over and it was if he had disappeared.  I went up to the scoring tower with a gentleman from the track and he took my information and made copies of it and said that he would make sure that Dave received.  He also, was puzzled that all of this was going on.  I know for a fact that he had it in for us, when he was at our trailer. We don't have to cheat to win anything in life, that's not the way we have brought up our kids.  I know for a fact that there is a lot of you out their that don't like me, but for your information I have had plenty of people that have told me that I speak up and some of you don't like it!  We started racing in 2001 and have traveled alot of miles with the kids and Bruce, Jr. and his sister are competitive, I like it when our kids win and I don't mind it when they lose.  We have had more fun, meeting people from all over and have put alot more money into our kids racing than some of you guys out there just getting into the sport and accusing all of us at the Fall Nationals of cheating.  What hurts the most is that we were not cheating and Dave Preston and his buddies can not give any of us real proof that we were.  Maybe some of his friends came to North Carolina to cheat and got beat, oh that hurts!
I think he had it in for some of us.  And, why were we fine before we started racing and once on the track and off, we came up with a substance on only one of our tires when both of them were put in a bag together.  For one reason why would we only dope the right rear of one of the tightest cars we own.  My kids have raced the North Carolina track several times since it opened.  And for Dave's information that was Wendy Bennetts favorite track and that was her last race of her racing career.  So, it would make alot of since for us Bennetts to travel from Orlando to North Carolina to cheat.  I have seen her go without racing at New Smyrna a whole year, because she didn't like the night racing in the Light 160 and then race the Little 500 and win it from the boys.  She wasn't cheating, either because we were completely broke down.  Someone, Dave Preston owes some of us some explanations.  And, why cain't you show all of us proof, don't just go and accuse people of being illegal.  The way I look at it you are one little coward, why don't you come forward with the real honest to God truth.  Don't people like you know that in return God repays all of us for our lies and dishonesty.  And, for Mr. Miller and his family I praise people like you, and by the way we hope that all of us that were accused and weren't illegal that this all washes out.  Dave Preston has lied to Bruce Bennett, Sr. on getting information to us in regards to all of this.  We been told that a  letter was being sent by Dave Preston, Tad Fiser said, that he was would make sure that QMA would send a letter and on Thursday night, March 12th, 09 Robin Drier called Bruce to tell him that she was faxing a letter to him on the disqualification.  Everyone of you are liars! This is people running QMA.  I think that QMA will eventually fade away with people running the clubs to their advantage.  What happen to this for and about the kids.  I remember also, a time up in Cummings, GA  when they were some real cheaters up there and they were even some on them on the committee that were in charge of it.  And, when I confronted the main guy, he came back with Ms. Bennett you don't win here without cheating, if you guys had of come to me, I would have give you a spray bottle too! No Thanks, but if that is the only way you can beat some on us, that isn't really winning.  I used to go tell everyone about this sport, but not no more, all they will hear from me is. If you want to meet some real nice people they are a few of us still out there, but watch out for the back stabbers.  If your not kissing up to their needs, then your in trouble.  I think that also, maybe the rule no drugs or alcoholic beverages should be put to order.  These are young children racing and you have parents that can not even walk straight getting into vehicles and heading on our highways with their children, after a night of racing.  You guys have your rules, but we all know it is illegal to drink and drive!!!  And, some of these parents are tied in with Board of Directors and setting example for our children. If any of you guys were like the Bennetts and were legal and accused of being illegal at the Fall Nationals and our names have been destroyed over all of this.  Just maybe we could all get together and hire one attorney to represent us, againt QMA and get our names cleared!  There is one out there that would probably do this for us.  We have been told.  We deserve getting our names cleared.  Take care and remember life is precious and our children are even more precious to us.  We don't live for ever.  Please don't drink and drive.

Are you sure you even know who Dave Preston is? Dave had not yet arrived at the track prior to the meeting and qualifying.

The reason tires were confiscated is because the cheaters have become more savvy and use products that are undectable using only the tire sniffer. They need to be sent to the lab for accurate results.

Mrneg, I most definitely know who Dave Preston is. Hey, I don't need to lie! All of us that were not cheating know who we are.  We most likely pick up whatever it was from some of his friends.  We have raced with some of the Nascar guys kids, and they get the dirt stuck to them too.  Some of the calls that are made are ridiculous and stupid on these kids.  Well, anyway someone needs to clear our name, Bruce, Sr. said he would even go as far as a lie detector test.  I would like to see Dave and those people accusing the rest of us of cheating take a lie detector test, themselves.  They don't even have the guts to prove anything, because I think they were involved with it.

Bennettracing we are with you.  I will take a lie detector test to.
And as for MRNEG if there lab results are so accurate where is our labs results smart guy!

brt,
You need to learn what your talking about you can get anything on your tire from following someone. You know alot about prep so are you the one that has to cheat to win. I can go out there with old tires and you can have your new preped tires and i can take your son to school

24 jr

All of you need to get out of qma. I have raced for 8 years and have won many championships and one grands in 07 and i think they are getting mad at all of my wins so they had to kick the bennetts out so they would have a chance to get a few wins.

If your not smart enough to get out of qma yet we still have 2 gts for sale that are Legal as long as you leave the tires off. HAHA

Bruce jr

I've got some news for you, as a racing family that has moved on from QMs to upright mini-sprints I can tell you that no one at the next level of racing (no matter what it is) is going to give a crap how many races, championships, etc you won during your QM days.

Enjoy it now, because in a couple of years it won't mean anything to anyone except you and your family.

My thanks to Mike McGee for telling me that 5 years ago when we were running novice.  It was true then, and it's true today.

B Jr. ......you are one heck of a driver........I have seen you drive a car with six race old tires come from the back and win! Without tire treatment. Your Dad, Dean and Kieth are awesome set up guru's. Good luck with what you move on to......you and your sister! Wayne Rice

Philhei,
Maybe you started to late or moved up to fast.........You have not seen this boy drive. I don't care if he won a championship or not......the boy can put a car up front that many couldn't drive. If you spent only 5 yrs in QM and not having success now, maybe move down to some form of racing you can handle.

PhilHeil, I don't know if you have ever had any Nascar drivers to tell you that your son was so good, that if he stayed in a car, he most definitely is a Nascar potential! He has had comments from several of older men racing that said he just has it in him.  And, they like his driving skills, sure makes parents feel good when they have a child with that kind of reputation going on for them.  By, the way the family that you were talking about was seen emptying their dump tank on public property, could be posssible doing other things too. Your wrong about people not remembering who you are, because his name was brought up at a Nascar race to a driver by someone close to us.  And, they knew exactly who Bruce, Jr. was and said that they remembered watching him back at the Tangerine when he was just a little guy, and that he was one heck of a driver.  They also told this person to tell him to keep it up and one day he would get to Nascar, if he wants it bad enough.  So, maybe your just not that good, yet.  Good Luck anyway, but stop trying to bad the young guns.  He already has a pro-truck and also has someone interested in putting him in a car that they own!  Dreams Do Come True, for those that want it bad enough. 

Wayne Rice, thanks for your comment, you guys are awesome, too. We will miss families like you, hopefully we will all meet up from time to time. We had wanted to get out of Quarter Midgets, but need to sell the other 2 cars.  I guess they are trying to find away to get some of us out early.  Probably found out that QT wanted Bruce, Jr. to come back and race another year or so, and didn't like it.  I think that tire deal in North Carolina was a big setup and some people are hiding something.  Bruce, Sr. had words with Robin Drier last night.  Last, Thursday night she promised him that she was faxing him something write away on the disqualification at the Fall Nationals.  And, owed up to him that she didn't say that, and then come back with the comment that the reason she didn't was that Bruce wanted her to sign the paper that she was going to fax, and she did not want anyone to see her name on it.  Why is she he on the Region 13 Board.  Did the QMA Board of Members tell her to keep her mouth shut! Now, I really like the saying. What goes on in Vegas, Stays in Vegas.  Someone knows to much, don't you think.  You and your family take care.  By the way, Bruce, Jr.  said I remember Mr. Rice.  Those comments last night was him talking. 

Kickin,

Have seen the lab tests, no names just the tests, seemed plainly evident that the cheater's tires were far different than the control samples. Cheaters all need to get on the same page, at least one of them called and admitted doing it.

Bennett,

No one is going after anyone (at a National level) because they won a Grands, we have won more than a few and have never experienced anything of the sort. Get over yourself.

Maybe someone should ask........BURTON,,,,,,OR   STANLEY ?

This is some funny stuff!!!!!

Comparing QM driving to NASCAR!!!  Hillarious!

Good luck you guys, you'll need it!

(Honest to God, some racing people are whacked out...LOL)

Mrneg, why don't you just come out and tell everyone who you are, the Bennetts have nothing to hide.  We were not cheating, what fun is it to take a sport and turn it into a bad thing.  As far as Burton goes he was on the Judges stand right after he started racing and made a call on Wendy Bennett, and wasn't even watching the race, because I know the lady that was there talking with him through out the whole race.  She said, that they all changed their mind to suit him.  Because you just cain't disagree with someone with his name. Four out of five judges had made a call against the other kid and took his side even though he said I think we should call it on the pink car and she said she new it wasn't Wendy's fault. You know so much, then why cain't they show us the test results and a list of all the accused cheaters.  Maybe your too scared to tell people who you are.  Are you in on it, too?   And, besides get over yourself, or do you have what it takes.  I am out to prove that if we got anything it was from the track or someone put it there.  Hello, did you not read we were tested before we even it the track or are you that dumb that you cain't read.


  

 

Who said we didn't have success?  My son won the Senior Honda championship in 2007 at Mini-Indy, no small task I assure you.  He has won numerous races and in the past two years has never missed a feature race in both cars.  Apparently you don't know too much about us to post something so ridiculous.

All that being said, no one in the 1200 AMSA series he races now really cares about that.  My point was you need to enjoy QM racing for what it is (or at least what it should be), a fun, family experience.

We moved on from QM racing because it really didn't offer my son the opportunity to learn much more. I would argue that 5 years in QMs is plenty if your kid knows how to drive.

Finally, if you are pinning your future hopes on your kids ability to drive a QM you are setting yourself up for some serious dissapointment.

Kids (drivers) really should not be posting out here like this.  And the ones that are should not be getting responses from adults.  It is inappropriate, much like a handler approaching another driver after a race.

D-Train, about asking Burton or Stanley.  Burton, starting racing QM way after we got started and another Nascar driver said he needed to learn the rules first before he started making calls, that this isn't Nascar.  And, as far as Stanley, no comment for them. Seen them let their tempers show at the tracks.

Hey PhilHeil, just maybe what you call kids are more grown up than you.  At the pro-truck race Saturday night.  An official said, kids you are no longer kids now, because you are racing adult machines, so be ready for anything.  And, they are right you have grown men that can not handled getting their behinds kicked on the track and are taking swings at minors.  Out of a total of 13, 8 of them were quartermidget racers.  And, as far as some of us not getting out of them earlier, you know they do have age limits. Go Figure.  And, my son is speaking out for himself, because he is tired of this grap and that they kept him from getting to race quartermidgets again.  He was going to race his truck and do some quartermidget racing for fun to hang out with his friends.  Now, he said he didn't care if he ever raced another one.  I am sure that would please some of them out there wanting to win a championship.  We have plenty of jackets, if you need one.  We are a clean driving family!

Wow!! This is crazy people! My son and I raced QM's from 92 -99. It was fun. Sure there were disputes and a few cheaters, but we had fun, and great leadership.We had Harold Lambert, Mike Lewis, Rick Kilbourne, Bill Wease, Blake Hollingsworth and many others, setting great examples for the kids, as well as us adults. I don't feel good about reading the forum. This is a great sport, somebody step up and take control. I am so proud of my son, not so much for the championships or races we won, but more for how QM's helped him evolve into a responsible adult, that sets good examples for the kids. Guys, please focus on solving the issues, your kids don't need the bickering and negativity. Hopefully USAC will be the answer. But, you parents have to do your part, also.--- Please take no offense, just my thoughts.

Marc Washer

mwasher42, You are right this is crazy.  But, there is a point that needs to solved in order to get this straighten out.  We are like you, we have been racing competitively since 2001, but we have run into alot of crooked people.  They forget that it is for the kids, and think about themselves.  If they have a test showing us people that we are illegal, just how much of this chemical got onto on cars, because we know we didn't put anything on our tires, so it had to come off the track.  We have told alot of people about this sport and have gotten several people involved.  But, I don't want to see anyone else done the way some of us was done at the Fall National.  We aren't holding this against the sport, we just want our name cleared.  And, if they have real proof of anything, why cain't they show it.  That is what sounds and looks so unprofessional abut the whole ordeal.  They are slashing all of our names.  Maybe, if you were still in quartermidget racing today, you would see all the bad things that are going on.  It has gotten really bad the past 2 or 3 years and continues that way.  Bruce, Sr. said he may let Bruce, Jr. raced USAC if he wanted, later.  But, right now we have people interested in talking with him about the possibility of racing bigger and better things.  I have to agree with you some of our most memorable times are traveling and racing our quarter midgets. Thanks for your thoughts and have a nice day.

Exactly,,,,, ;D
The race director had no idea that preston was comming,so who was up to this?????

 :oSTANLEY &  BURTON  :o

Burton told Preston that he wanted to see someones tires in the jr honda C main sooooooo Preston took them.... How can a member be allowed to do that?

Bennett,

Looks like you are the one that needs a little help with reading comprehension. This is what I said in my original post "cheaters have become more savvy and use products that are undectable using only the tire sniffer" The testing they do at the lab is destuctive testing, you couldn't possibly take the track with those tires. To put it in terms you might understand passing the tire sniffer test doesn't mean squat.

Don't know if you were one of the ones caught cheating or not, if the results said you did then I believe the lab tests. The amount of chemicals found in the tires could not have been picked up from the track. Are people upset because Preston showed up unannounced... so what? Should the cheaters have been given more warning?

(The amount of chemicals found in the tires could not have been picked up from the track. )

STOP right there!!!
That is where you are wrong!
You can not compare a tire that is new to a tire that has been ran on the race track.

You and your kid sound like you are full of yourselves, talking about all your race wins and championships.  Now you are giving jackets away....good for you, no one else gives a crap.  Good thing they are jackets and not pull-overs because I doubt anyone has produced a pull-over yet that would fit over your big, arrogant heads.

No one at the next levels of racing will give two-turds about your QM championships. It's fun to talk about with all you QM buddies that seem to enjoy kissing your arse, outside of that no one cares.

My son started running a 1200cc upright mini-sprint at the L-Burg Speedway halfway through last season at age 13.  He's done pretty well and the older drivers respect him because he is clean and can drive.  They don't know, nor do they care about his QM days.

I will miss the friends and the racing at Mini-Indy.  Two things I won't miss are the drive from Cincy to Indy and dealing with people like you that think they are bigger then the sport.  There are some real good things about getting out of QMs, listening to people blather about how their kid is going to be the next Jeff Gordon is one of them.

Like I said, if you plan on living your life through your kids future you are setting yourself up for a major disappointment.

Regards.....and good riddance!

my son and i have raced in region 3 many times, a couple of times in n.c. and won a couple of races there ,was it obvious that the racers were using something on there tires or the track ? yes it was, somthing was odd , but we raced ,didn't dope our tires ,all we had to was race on there surface and it was great, all the  reg. 3 tracks are great places to race, lots of good people and its fun to race with the burtons and other nascar people who get a chance be fathers and enjoy there kids win or lose. as for the bennett family, we are  fla. people also and have raced with them ,they are a good hard working honest family with talented kids. they should be proud as any family should be, of there kids. knowing the family i say QMA is wrong i don't believe they doped there tires they are to good for that. thats all i got to say. THANKS FOR LISTENING DAN ATWELL

PhilHeil, I race pro trucks and someone wants me to race their modified, does your son get asked that!!! I think its harder to drive a truck with 425hp, 2850lb than a little mini sprint.

Mrneg,
Thats where your wrong you can get stuff on your tires from running on it.. Why would we waste our money on tire treatment when its on the track. What do you think you clean off the tires every time you run on it. Why don't you grow some balls and tell who you are.
Bruce Jr

PhilHeil,
We don't expect no one to kiss our arse, as you say it.  Yes, we are very proud of our kids, all four of them, as a matter of fact.  The jacket deal was meant for you and only you, because of your attitude, but it sounds like you need a straight jacket, instead.  Why don't you look around and just see how many of the good Nascar drivers were young quartermidget racers, back in their younger days.  So it doesn't matter if people remember you or not.  But, there is a lot out there that will.  Of course that is the ones with a brain, because they are the ones that still have a memory.  Go get a Life and we will try to remember you down the road that is if you ever become someone!

Just FYI a 1200 mini-sprint is harder to drive than a truck or a late-model.  I for one have done them both. The 1200 has a much higher power to weight ratio than a truck.  I just wanted to clarify.  Now you can continue your arguement about nothing.

Well a Pro-Truck is basically just a street stock with a truck body and racing tires.

Copied from the R4 minutes 2/11/09
Effective immediately, Freddie Bear has stepped down as Assistant Regional Director. R4 BOD unanimously agreed to reinstate Freddie after 30 day suspension has expired.

Dont know if this is related or not but seems odd that the R4 Assistant Regional Director would be suspended in February and then reinstated. ::)     There are so many things wrong with this senario I dont know where to start......

the only thing on a pro truck that makes it even close to a street stock is the sub frame

I am done responding to the nonsense of the Bennett clan who seem to think the QM sun rises and sets over their rear-ends.  I didn't come out here to debate QM wins and championships, or the excitement of owning a QM jacket....YIPPIE!

The race wins, championships, giant trophies and other successes on the track are not what I will remember most about QM racing.  What I will remember most are the friendships we made with the good folks at Mini-Indy.  The beers around the campfire laughing our butts off.  How good that first beer tasted at the end of a long hot race-day.  Grilling out with the Mouls, McDonalds and Spillers.  Mouching off Sherry McDonald's parents for dinner.... :)  Having a glass of wine with the Thomason's while sitting on the trolly cars at the Indy Fairgrounds.

What I will miss most about the racing is working with all the guys around the track.  There is nothing better then getting a beat up car back in the race under caution before the green flies again.  You don't get to do that when you move on from QM racing.  I can still remember Darrell McDonald helping me get TJ back on the track and me helping Darrell get Matt back on the track even though our kids were within a handfull of points from each other for the Senior Honda championship.

I didn't know anything about racing when we started with QMs....zero, nada, zilch.  This was my son's passion not mine.  Thank God for guys like Bob Moul who helped us get started and folks like Darrell McDonald, Wes Spillars, and Rick Thomason that were always willing to lend a hand.  If not for them we would never have had the level of success we experienced with QMs.

My point is this, if you are not enjoying your QM experience like we did (and it is apparent some of you are not), then I feel bad for you.  It's kids racing little cars for heavens sake.  Relax and enjoy it, it doesn't last forever.

PhilHeil,
First of all your not supposed to drink at a qma event smart one. How can you enjoy qm racing when your drunk.
Your Friend Bruce Jr

PhilHeil,
First of all your not supposed to drink at a qma event smart one. How can you enjoy qm racing when your drunk.
Your Friend Bruce Jr

I thought you might not comprehend it once so i did it twice

I couldn't figure that one out either.  Actions like that make QMA look really bad.  There is no excuse for a rules violation like this, and the fact that it is a QMA official makes it even worse.  How can you re-instate someone after something like this?  A one year suspension from office would have made more sense.

BennettRacing,

Actually a Pro-Truck besides the stock sub-frame, has stock suspension, stock brakes, and an automatic transmission. Cant get more street stock than that. Also I imagine your running Fasttrucks, so yaw are just racing against other 12 yr old kids, yea that really impressive. I bet Rick Hendrick has a scout at all those races. Get an ASA Late Model and if yaw can dominate that then your doing something.

Hey guys,  Guess everyone is bored to death waiting for racing season to start.  Just wish you all would work on getting the tracks ready, cars ready and stop the back and forth negative comments.  I think we all have seen enough in the past few months to last a life time.

All the young men and ladies who race are the greatest and all of you handlers who work your tails off getting those cars ready are the greatest also.  Matters not where you finish, what trophies you won or did not win; none of that matters as long as our young persons are growing to adulthood learning to be fair and honest.  Learn to deal with the ups and downs in life.  Most of all be able to look up to their families with pride in the way the family works together to make the racing weekends fun.

So stop hitting each other verbally and start being positive for the future.  None of us are stupid enough to think we can change QMA or that USAC is going to be 100% positive.  We all hope we are going in the right direction be it with QMA or USAC.

April cannot come soon enough for me.  Use your words to ask for decent weather fror these children in Florida then on to Ohio.

Drive on kids we are behind you!

im 79,
We have all racing brakes and we can only spend up to 200 dollars on shocks, and the transmissions are full racing transmissions that are manual shift with no clutch. I race people that are all ages because i'm 14. Lets see you come out of the corners at 80 spinning the tires and see if you can keep it straight. Trucks are harder to drive than asa. asa is like driving a cadillac.

OK, Bennett, enough already.

Race season here has not started for us like it has for others around the country so we are still waiting for our season to start.

To be honest, this forum is really beginning to look alot like QMA with all the negativity and bashing going on.  And negativity and bashing does not look good to potential sponsors and car owners because their drivers are a reflection of their company, regardless of how good they are!  Personally, I will not support any driver that is arrogant, cocky or conceded, some I won’t even sell stuff to.

So let’s grow up everyone and act like adults here.

You can change organizations, but unfortunately you are not going to get rid of some of the attitudes that make the sport miserable for everyone else.

That being said, right on Grandma13....I agree completely.

Hey PhilHeil,
If it is really a grandma, I sincerely apologize for my child.  But, you all need to grow up yourself.  It just isn't fair that a handful of Board of Directors can accuse some of us of cheating and can not show the proof.  As for instance, Bruce, Jr. is now listed on NC's web site as being DQ'd and it wasn't even his tires. Robin Drier, which is the Region 13 Director told Bruce, Sr. last Thursday that she would fax him something right away on the disqualification in NC, because he wanted to take Bruce, Jr and go racing at the NSQMRA in New Smyrna, that didn't happen.  Last night, he called her and she denied ever saying that.  Then come back and quoted that the reason she didn't is he asked that she sign the fax, when she sent it. And, she didn't want her name on anything.  On, top of all this in February when she called him to tell him that they said that our tires on Wendy's car were illegal and we was being suspended for that.  Bruce, Sr. got upset and said that he never put anything on his tires and that Dave and them should show all of us the results.  She also told him that the club would not have to know anything about this, that it would only be kept between her and him, their secret.  Bruce,Sr. told her that he didn't have anything to hide and wanted this all taken care of that he would even take a lie detector test to prove it to them. And, that he wanted the club to know what had happened.  He hung up, and I called her back and told her that I understood that Bruce,Sr. said that Dave Preston told her that it was a good thing that he suspended all of us, during the break that we could all go back to racing when the season started up.  She said, no that it was her that said they could keep this tire thing between the two of them.  And, of course I disagreed with her, because we weren't cheating at all and if a substance got on our tires it was from other sources.  We still have not received anything and its March 17, 09 already.  What makes me really mad and upset is that these are QMA Board of Directors messing with our children.  I am not going to lie for anyone.  I have had friends of ours over the years ask me to go judge their kids race, to make sure that they don't get any calls.  Well, guess what I did go judge, but I would not take up for any one kid and we have even DQ'd our own kids on a few occasions, such as being under weight or wrong restrictor plate.  In the long run, I have had those friends get mad at me, because they thought that I could stop a call.  A lot of times their kid did help out in the accident, or was at fault.  I only say what I see!  We all make mistakes.  Yes, you and I have being going at it.  But, things have really changed over the 2 or 3 years.  Hope you get over all of this and enjoy your racing.  I guess it just bugs us that this is a kid sport and they are a few out there messing it all up for the rest .  Anyway I hope your child succeeds in whatever he chooses.  But, you will never hear me tell my child or any of my other children that they cannot accomplish what they want in life.  It may take time, but if you try you can do anything that you put your mind too.  I'm not your average woman, I have always had to work hard for myself.  I can do a lot of stuff that most women wouldn't even know where to start.  We never had an attitude, until all of this happened and isn't the Board of Directors suppose to let their members know something, we cain't get a response from any one.  Just promises!  Sorry, for the misunderstanding between us.  But, hope you stop and think, what if this was your family and you enjoyed the sport as much as us.  Take Care.

goffin20
I wish you guys were racing and your right on the head with looks like QMA.  Usually no one here is cocky, etc.  But, they really hurt an innocent family.  Good Luck with your racing.

grandma13
I deeply apologized for Bruce, Jr.'s comment.  And, I hope you take it.  Bruce, Jr. is only 14 and a real smart kid.  By the way, they love to race in Columbus.  I just wish this was all over and done with.  Maybe we will leave quartermidgets all together and let these people run it into the ground.  It is for the kids, but it takes people like us that know that.  We have had people wanting to throw out certain ones for their attitudes and they are either on the Board or has some buddies there.  That it will never happen.  Good Luck Grandma13 and Take Care. 

There is a simple solution to this....don't make doping tires illegal.  Go back to the rule where you can't do it at the track.

We used to get numerous races in on a set of tires because I would clean them and treat them as soon as we got home from the track.  If nothing else they at least stayed strong enough to test with.

I realize it's toxic but so is grease, oil, gasoline etc.  I have seen handlers filling their car with gas when the driver was sitting in it.

Most handlers that are doping are doing it on the inside of the tires anyway to avoid detection.  If they can do this away from the track without their kids around I don't see a reason why doping should be illegal.  Almost all other forms of racing that I am familiar with allow it.

Actually not to many forms of asphalt racing allows doping. But with that said, if you can't police it, make it legal.

The ones that know for a fact they are not cheating have a right to stand up for ourselves, so everyone else get your nose out of it...... stop talking about our kids.

Another good thing being lost to negativity, this forum.  I used to enjoy getting on here for a couple of minutes to read about what is going on with this form of racing.  A form of entertainment over the long winter in Indiana!!!  But it isn't any fun reading these posts anymore, especially this one. 

Please realize that your issues with QMA, Nascar, or IRL for that matter will not get resolved on this forum.  If you need to bash or hash something out with someone, knowing them by name or not knowing them because of a screen name, get their phone number or send them a private email.  Mercy!!

Lets use this medium for fun and entertainment!!  I know we are all good people, now lets act like we are face to face when communicating with others, and not hundreds of miles apart behind a computer screen.  Accountability.

Happy Racing!!!  Whatever form. (QMs, sprints, late models, legends, midgets, go karts, r/c cars, slot cars, Nascars, Indy Car, street stocks, pinewood derby, soap box derby, Matchbox, Hot Wheels)  Don't ruin my fun!!!!!!

To all:

Yes,  I am the grandmother of 13.  One of them now races and is not allowed to race in QMA as membership has been taken away.  Thus you are not alone; but, we are just waiting and watching knowing that sooner or later the membership of QMA will wake up and realize what is happening and make the necessary changes in the leadership.

Does not being allowed to race QMA bother us no to us it is a joke.  Yes we supported USAC and will continue to do so and that racer will run USAC and is also getting ready to advance to the 600 series.

The racer was allowed to get the championship regional trophy and that now is all that matters.  Her record as a racer speaks for itself and I am very proud of her, my son, and her mother.  All three have held their heads high and continue to point out the problems.  They know it is not the majority of the QMA members but the leadership.  They will as we will continue to support the local club now that we are allowed to be involve as that club is no longer QMA.

so the next time you are in Columbus and see the older gentleman manning the scales say hello as we are that family as in the past trying to work and help where we can to see to it that the young people can have a fulfilling and eventful race.

We know who we are, that the racer is a clean racer, that the cars are legally set up as well as the tires and that is all that matters to us. 

For those that wish to bash, http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/QuarterMidget2/ is a good "neutral" place to vent so we can keep this forum positive.

Thanks Scotty....send them my way.  The QM2 group is already called the Jerry Springer Show by some.  (Since tone does not come through well on a group this is sarcasm.  Everyone is welcome to express their own opinion as long as it matches mine)

Brad

That’s why I sent them your way, plus, it will help keep your group as the #1 QM chat group right…

I just think a professional organization such as USAC should not have so much of the negativity and bashing in the forums as we have seen lately, allot of which doesn’t even apply to USAC and is mostly about QMA.  However, a new potential member would not know the difference between USAC and QMA, only that there is allot of questionable behavior going on within the sport which is not good for USAC or QMA.

Scott,  You are 100% correct and mind you I do not often tell a man he is 100 % correct! LOL

Hey, to all of you out there, the Bennetts were told to check this site out that we needed to see what all was going on out there on the tire treatment deal at the fall nationals.  Maybe some of you don't care and just maybe some do.  All of our kids have had their reputations ruined over all of this bull, that Dave Preston and his buddies have started.  Even thou it was Wendy's tires that were taken, if you get on NCQMA site they have her brother listed as the one DQ'd instead of Wendy.  So, that makes it even more obvious that they were after certain families to all of our children.  Go check it out every child on there is very competitive and did carry a good reputation for themselves.  But on this list you will not find that there is one kid from the Penn State.  So lets all get real, these are our young drivers, and most do want to get somewhere with their career.  Whatever type of racing they choose will be left up to them.  Also, I know for a fact that we aren't living our dreams thru our kids, but its not left up to me or you to comment on that.  What I'm saying is we have every right to proof of what we have been accused of.  We know we were legal and that is all that matters, show us elsewhere.  Don't hide behind closed doors.  We loved the sport and Bruces dad told me from the beginning if your not winning, people will leave you alone.  I guess that isn't true for us, and all of those that claimed that they were legal also.  Too, bad some of you guys weren't treated like all of us, then just maybe you would understand.  We want our names cleared and hope that our children can gain the respect back that they always had before this happened.  Good Luck

Think you feel violated now... wait til you have to reimburse QMA for costs associated with the testing of your legal  ;) tires before your membership will be reinstated.

you guys can say what you want but leave grandma out of it. usac needs to erase this thread please!!!

First, they are going to have to show it on paper, or I guess we will not join QMA. There is too many other forms of racing, out there for all of us.  It is just a shame that things have to be this way for anyone that is trying to raise their kids to be honest and not steal or take anything from others.  I guess after reading more on other forums.  I see where every is coming from.  Maybe we will take a trip to Tampa to watch the kids race USAC.  I know when we talk with the owners, they wanted us to join, but we wanted to find out more about it, because we hadn't been hearing good things.  It doesn't matter what form of racing it is, they will be the good and bad everywhere.  If only this would work out for the all of these kids that love racing so much. 

THIS HAS GONE ON FOR TOO LONG,LETS JUST DROP IT AND GO RACING

amen  crewchief

Must be STANLEY racers that want it to stop :o

It didnt upset your little johnny so lets stop the talking!!

NO D-TRAIN YOUR WRONG AGAIN,WHAT ARE YOU A RICE RACER   

why should we have to drop it when we have the right to protect our kids.  I no for a FACT i was not cheating.

The problem with tire doping is it is about impossible to enforce fairly.  Some who are doping will get away with it, others will get caught.  Some will be found to be cheating even if they were not, and that is a horrible thing to have happen.

Once you take racing away from the track and put it in a labratory you have problems.

Change the rule to something that is enforcable.

Hey, why should we stop it, we know for a fact that we didn't put anything on either of our kids tires.  It's the fact of what they have done to the innocent families.  I guess who ever is behind this don't have much of a reputation themselves, so they wanted the rest of us to look as bad as they do.  Now, go to the NCQMA list and its not Wendy anymore its her brother Bruce, Jr. that holds the DQ, what a big mistake, the kids are now laughing their butts off at the people who did this.  PhilHeil, I finally have to agree with you, guess we started out on the wrong foot.  But, for those that know how to cheat they will always to so, that's the ones that don't like getting beat.  Bruce, Jr loved this sport, but said he really didn't care if he ever raced it again.  Right, now we are in trucks, it just bothers us that we wanted to leave QMA with good memories, not bad ones.  If you guys think about, if it is dropped completely, who ever started all this will just get away with hurting some more families, later. Have a nice day!

D-Train,
You know they call some of us cheaters, it doesn't matter what you drive, just don't beat the cheaters!

I am against any rules that involve arbitrary testing.  If you want to shred tires and test them then test everyones.  If you end up with results showing that all (or most) of the tires were doped you know there is something wrong with your testing process.

You would think that QMA would try to start operating in a smarter manner considering the competition they are getting from USAC....but I am not surprised really, they seem to continually shoot themselves in the foot.

And Bennett, I never really had an issue with the point you were making, just the manner in which you (and your son) were trying to make it.

Call  704 STANLEY they are the ones behind all of this.......
They couldnt handle there little hero comming from region 4 and not winning all the time here in N.C.
FACT

Many individuals have given advise to stop this thread and it really would be wise to do so.

Accusations need not be made as no one really has the correct answers.  The issue is not a good one that is for certain; however, there is nothing any of us on this forum can do to correct the situation.

We certainly know a lot of young individuals have been hurt and all of us are very sorry for that.

It is TIME TO PUT THIS ISSUE TO BED!  No good will be gained by continuing the bashing that is going on in this thread.

Please everyone:  S  T  O  P

Consider this a plea from an old lady and those of you who have choosen other forms of racing-Best of Luck to you.  To those who are remaining in Quarter Midget Racing good luck to you.  I hope I see the young men and ladies this coming racing season.

OOOOHHHH
Now stop this when it is hitting home to your region 4 buddys. ::)

But it is ok for you and your son LLR and sssmoke to bash all the people at NCQMA!
Thats ok we know how it is in the Quartermidget World!

Here is to USAC hpoe you all have a better tire testing plan then what has been done in EVERY one QMA has done!!

I'm OUT

D-train, First thing is stanleys "little hero" is a awesome driver and gets alot of respect up here. I never bashed people at ncqma.I know some very nice people down there I  do however don't like there methods.But that is my opion.The place is awesome the people seemed to work hard.I just don't like the fact that the s..t is dripping off the tires and now one cares enough about the kids to do something.That hotchute has so much tire dope on it and the marks from the tires all anybody has to do is watch the cars move and you can tell.No test needed.               

I hear tire treatment is rampant in QMA races.
I though this was a sport for us kids, not cheaters!

Lil racer, the Bennetts weren't cheating, but watch out you could be accused of it the same as the Bennett kids.  Be very careful, because you could be set up like the rest of us. Good Luck at Racing and Enjoy while you can. 

D train, i know you get beat alot but thats no reason to show your ignorance on a good usac forum. yeah you are out!!!!  ;D ;D ;D ;D

Mr. Bennett  It Terry  from Huntsville  Im sorry of your problems in N.C. I know you and your family are upstanding people . Let me tell you what happened to me this weekend . The track took my right side tires which I have no problem with . We had about 10 members to pool their money and claim my left rear tire . Listen to this my tires were put in a bag but not sealed with tape or signed, the claimer was not there , the box was taped with duck tape and signed by me and the tech man but only signed on the tape not across the tape and get this the tires were given to the R.D. until Monday to be shipped . Did I forget to tell you that the R.D. put money in on the the tire HUMMMMMMMM   the man that helped claim my tire has my tire in an unsealed unsighed bag. what do you think is going to happen to another family that is just trying to race and have fun . Good luck to you Guys Tell Wendy and Bruce me and Dallas said Hi

Terry, first of all.  We will most definitely miss racing with you guys.  We have made alot of friends traveling and have seen you guys at plenty of the same races that we have traveled to.  It is people like you and us that are targets for these fools.  Dallas is such a great little racer and I guess some people cain't get it thru their thick skulls, that some of these kids have plenty of experience, not only on their own tracks but lots of others.  Don't it make you all wonder, just how many more of innocent families are going to be hurt. If anyone knows you guys would, it is children like yours and mine, along with all those in N.C. that would rather race than to eat or sleep.  They are just plain stupid for doing this again.  I guess they don't have anything better to do with their lives than to pick on people that they think are in a better position than them.  Please voice your opionion, not that it will do you or your son any good, but this needs to be put to a stop.  We probably have nearly 500 or more trophies and awards  between Wendy and Bruce, Jr., so you guys know we have put some time on the tracks. Bruce, Jr. will miss his friends at the tracks, but there is always that internet connection that keeps them close. The problem you wrote about isn't no big surprise.  Just sorry it had to be you guys too!  Just hold your head up high, our children know who we are and where they have come from.  Maybe we will meet up again real soon.  Bruce, Jr. is now saying that he don't give a sh.... about quartermidgets anymore, but if he ever gets in one again, that he will show them that they could take his tires and give them their and he still could kick their butts!  Besides that it was Wendy's tires they took and he ended up getting the DQ.  All I can say is that they are such stupid people, out their hurting our kids.  Keep up the good work, it the long run it will pay off. Take care and wish your family the best.   DBEN554458@aol.com Hello to all of you, see you on a track somewhere down the road.

At Huntsville there has been many tires sent of this year, so far one has come back bad and two good. I know that Reg 3 has always had a bad rep for this and I think by self police we have cleaned it up a lot.

I hope that all the track keep up with the tire testing,that will keep the field tight

From the rulebook...

6. The protested tire will be removed from the car, dismounted, marked and sealed in a
QMA approved plastic bag by the Club Tech Director or his/her designee, as soon as the
car comes across the scale and the protestee will receive $50.00 for the tire.
7. The protested tire will immediately be taken into custody by the Club Tech Director or
his/her designee. Tires must remain in possession of assigned tech officials throughout
the entire process. Tires must be sent to the lab the next business day.
8. Both the Protester and the Protestee will be present for signature certification of all
tires taken. The bag will be sealed with tape and the protester and protestee will sign
across this seal.

Doesn't sound like all the clubs abide by the rulebook for tire protests...I would say if the bag wasn't sealed with tape and both parties didn't sign across it, then the protest should be Null and void.

the point I was trying to make was that we have made the tire prep deal pretty much non issue by going that route

Here it is April 23rd. and we still have not received a confirmation letter on the tire deal that took place in North Carolina at the Fall Nationals.  There is no proof of evidence that we have ever seen that our childs tires were illegal.  Just their word.  Not one of the officials have ever sent a letter out to the Bennetts like they said that they would.  And, the steps that were supposed to be taken were not done in the order that they should have been.  Now, after we complained about them posting Bruce, Jr's name on the web instead of Wendy's , they have taken all the kids names that were accused of being illegal and dropped the DQ beside their names and left it blank.  Our local club never even had enough sense to send out a letter of suspension to the family like they were supposed to do.  As a matter of fact the New Smyrna club president said that she didn't even know about it for sure, that she had just heard rumors.  I think it is time that we take all of our information that we have and go to an attorney, because it is sad that we put so much time and money into this sport over the past 8 years to go out being called cheaters. When we know for a fact that we weren't, I am sure that an attorney can help gain our reputations back and maybe a little more on top of that.  How about a letter of an apology, along with that! Our Kids Deserved It.

Bennett, I think your on the right track...

I would have to agree with that too...it is amazing what one certified letter from an attorney can accomplish.

I got busted in QMA for a bad left rear tire . The tire was clean but it was about 4 years old and came back bad.  So repalce you old left side tires. Check this out  The rules say the tire claimer rule does not go into effect until 4-1-09 mine was claimed in March. The bag was not taped or sighed by anyone next my tire was kept all weekend by one of the handlers that put up the money . So my tire was kept in an unsealed unsigned bag by a person that put up money on my tire . I can prove all this happened BUT QMA said the were happy with the way everything was handled so I could not appeal . These handler that claimed my left rear tire has labled my family as cheaters just so they can keep up . If your getting beat work harder dont try to hurt a child to keep up . I would never cheat  a child but I got hammered for a 4 year old left rear tire . QMA get your act together or I will be pushing hard for USAC

joeblow, i would be pushing hard anyway, nothing will change in qma. the show at cms was second to none. if anyone attended that they would want usac in a heartbeat. sorry to hear about your tire. hope it dont affect your kids racing to much. good luck

terry............................... that is not all true...........

Sure it is

nope