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Title: new indy club
Post by: gadams on January 26, 2009, 10:23:47 PM
a club in indy, how sweet is that. The way it sounds it will travel to different locations untill the permament facility is built. Way to go usac, more and more racing options for the summer.


Title: Re: new indy club
Post by: ssssmoke on January 27, 2009, 12:42:46 AM
anyone know how many mini indy members are going to this club?     
_INDY .25 MIDGET CLUB JOINS USAC_

The latest addition to USAC’s growing list of .25 Midget member clubs is
the newly-formed Indy .25 Midget Club, serving Indianapolis, Ind. and
its environs.

A limited racing schedule is currently being developed which will form
the foundation for the kids’ racing landscape surrounding the racing
capital, which targets construction of a brand-new permanent facility
and expanded schedule as a result of its anticipated membership growth.

Club president Rick Thomason is ecstatic about the new USAC affiliation.
“With the help of USAC and the other Midwest District clubs, we will
visit a series of temporary venues around Indiana this year, which will
expose our sport to potential membership expansion,” he commented. “We
have an excellent group of families committed to this effort and
dedicated to growing our club and our sport, which should make this
inaugural season a solid framework for our future plans.”

USAC Development Series Director James Spink added: “We are absolutely
thrilled to include this new Indy .25-Midget Club as part of the USAC
family. There has been a large calling for a USAC club here in
Indianapolis and this new addition should satisfy everyone’s needs.”

More details about its schedule and operations will be released as they
become firm. We encourage you to visit www.usacracing.com
<http://www.usacracing.com/> for the latest news regarding this and
other member .25-Midget clubs.”

--USAC--


Title: Re: new indy club
Post by: ANB1 on January 27, 2009, 09:47:49 AM
If I had to guess...probably half with most of those belonging to both.


Title: Re: new indy club
Post by: ssssmoke on January 27, 2009, 10:22:35 AM
wow, thats alot. wouldnt it have been alot easier to just vote dual charter at mini!!!  we ran mini our first time last year and think its a awesome facility, but we are not going to join qma this year.


Title: Re: new indy club
Post by: 2fast4u on January 27, 2009, 10:25:07 AM
Class act Indy club, this is the way it should be done. Would you contact the hand full of knot heads at the Buckeye club that is trying to steal what several generation have built and explain how it's done. I'm sure you will see several Ohio drivers visiting your new club, Congratulations.


Title: Re: new indy club
Post by: deco45 on January 28, 2009, 01:32:54 AM
why dont the hand full of people at BUCKEYE that want USAC go and start there OWN track?


Title: Re: new indy club
Post by: 2fast4u on January 28, 2009, 09:04:16 AM
The majority wants both. The votes tell the truth.


Title: Re: new indy club
Post by: ssssmoke on January 28, 2009, 10:30:25 AM
i think its a little more than a hand full at bqmra. the club has to much separation. i would say the bqmra as we have known it is done. good luck to all the good people there and remember mv and moc are holding strong and have usac memberships avaliable to anyone wanting to race competitively, safe, and without turmoil. you act out of line you go home, and probably get some time off!!! also save money on tires. the spec is hoosier a40, and a35 on the right.


Title: Re: new indy club
Post by: deco45 on January 28, 2009, 01:55:20 PM
Drive to mini indy and drive in a full class or go to MV or MOC to run in there 2-3 car class.There are kids that only raced 3 times at MV or MOC that got 2Nd there club points.The only way a kid is going competitive is to race a full fied of cars not 2-3.


Title: Re: new indy club
Post by: goffin20 on January 28, 2009, 05:15:34 PM
Car counts at all 3 Ohio tracks were low this year so I don’t see how two new local tracks is going to help matters.

As I said before, there is a shortage of quarter midget members, not tracks.  Maybe with the additional publicity and marketing by USAC that will change.


Title: Re: new indy club
Post by: PhilHeil on January 28, 2009, 07:53:50 PM
I don't see many members abandoning Mini-Indy to race at temporary venues around Indianapolis.  Mini-Indy is a heck of a lot of fun for the kids to race and the fairgrounds is a great place to camp out with fellow club members and friends.  Even with all the politics that goes on, the majority of Mini-Indy members enjoy the racing and the atmosphere on race day.

With the economy in the state it is in, and the state of auto racing in general, I can't see USAC building a permanent facility anytime soon.  In my opinion this whole new 'USAC Indy Club' is just an attempt to put pressure on the Mini Indy Club to switch to USAC after this season.

At some point this whole QMA / USAC conflict is going to work its way out.  There will be a lot of anger and hard feelings along the way.  My guess is when all is said and done Mini-Indy will still be the only QM track in Indy.

Phil Heil
Proud Mini Indy Alum


Title: Re: new indy club
Post by: Swartz on January 28, 2009, 08:34:24 PM
Drive to mini indy and drive in a full class or go to MV or MOC to run in there 2-3 car class.There are kids that only raced 3 times at MV or MOC that got 2Nd there club points.The only way a kid is going competitive is to race a full fied of cars not 2-3.

So, which is it? Is it about the kids and a family experience or is it about the competition and proving how good you are?


Title: Re: new indy club
Post by: deco45 on January 28, 2009, 08:48:18 PM
Here at Mini Indy the car count is good why,because we don't have the people driving other people out of the sport.The people leave because of the people incharge if it's not fun why do it.
How many people are going to leave this year because there tired of hearing the USAC & QMA thing? It's not were a kid can have fun any more because of the parents.
ALL THEY WANT IS THE NEXT USAC- NASCAR STAR,WE NEED TO JUST LET THEM BE KIDS FOR THE LITTLE TIME THEY ARE.


Title: Re: new indy club
Post by: race4qm on January 28, 2009, 08:55:11 PM
Its no fun for the kids to go to MV or MOC with only 1 or 2 other drivers in their class.  Which was most of the case all last year.  This is not coming from the parents, this is coming from the kids!!  They would rather race with a full field!!


Title: Re: new indy club
Post by: 2fast4u on January 28, 2009, 08:55:57 PM
Swartz, It's neither.


Title: Re: new indy club
Post by: deco45 on January 28, 2009, 09:57:03 PM
Just ask the kids, they think it boring to race just 2 cars.If kid is not having fun why do it!


Title: Re: new indy club
Post by: Swartz on January 28, 2009, 11:29:19 PM
If the intention is to attract new members why do the costs keep going up? Why do I have to buy a "box stock" honda engine for $1200? Why do "stock" decos cost $5000? Why does everything that is a rule change have a dollar figure? What makes an $18 key that gives you 20 degrees timing illegal and a $90 flywheel that gives you 20 degrees timing legal? Why is it ok to apply SFI specs to safety that were written for NASCAR and INDY CAR to these things? Don't you take you're kids to the fair? I'm over the top on safety. My driver has NEVER leaned past the left side bars but I have seen kids dragging their hands on the track showing off because they were leaning so far out of the car and have new seat belts. I have problems with stuff that USAC and QMA is doing but my biggest problem is with the attitude of QMA people who think they "own" quarter midget racing. The fact is there are probably more unsanctioned quarter midget racing tracks in the US than not. The don't want to put up with the BS.


Title: Re: new indy club
Post by: ssssmoke on January 28, 2009, 11:37:00 PM
well said swartz, i bet deco dont even have kids.


Title: Re: new indy club
Post by: PhilHeil on January 28, 2009, 11:54:41 PM
Swartz;

I agree with a lot of your comments.  I was never a big fan of QMA on the national level.  I too thought their attitude was arrogant and they were more concerned with their own self-interests (and $$$$$) then the kids and racing.  My hope is that this USAC adventure will help them see the light and they will work to make the sport less expensive and more simplified (but I ain't holding my breath ;) ).  I could go on all night regarding what I think QMA (or USAC) could do to make the sport better.

As for Mini Indy, the club voted at the end of last season to remain QMA.  Our club officers were asked to accept that decision.  At the time they said they could.  Apparently that commitment didn't last long for some as we currently have a member and former club president who is now the president of the new .25 Indy Club and whose wife is currently the elected Secretary at Mini-Indy.  Conflict of interest?....you bet.

I have no problem with Mini-indy members that want to have a relationship with USAC, but they should certainly recuse themselves from leadership positions within the Mini-Indy Club if they want to do so.  It looks really bad when we have officers and members of our board working with USAC when we are supposed to be a QMA sanctioned club.

And, as and FYI, I would feel the same way if the situation were reversed and the club had voted USAC and we had officers still working with QMA.  It is about repecting the wishes of the Club members.

My hope is this can get resolved quickly for the good of Mini-Indy.  I hope and pray that those folks involved, that want to work with USAC, will step aside for the good of Mini-Indy before things get out of hand.

Who knows, maybe in a year or so this will all work out to a single solution.  Until then Mini-Indy needs leadership that will respect the club members decision to remain QMA (for now).

Phil Heil
Proud Mini Indy Alum


Title: Re: new indy club
Post by: Melmo on January 29, 2009, 12:13:48 AM
Phil Phil Phil I think with the statement that you just made that you should wake up and understand what's going!!! If you say that some of you people is backing USAC should get out I understand. But what I don't understand is the one and only TONY GEORGE from the INDIANAPOLIS 500 track help founded the mini-indy track and made it what it is today!!! Now Tony is backing USAC in a good way and standing by USAC!!! So all in all you should practice what you preach and understand what the mini-indy club is doing to Mr. George!!!

That's just my thoughts!!!


Title: Re: new indy club
Post by: PhilHeil on January 29, 2009, 12:23:13 AM
Phil Phil Phil I think with the statement that you just made that you should wake up and understand what's going!!! If you say that some of you people is backing USAC should get out I understand. But what I don't understand is the one and only TONY GEORGE from the INDIANAPOLIS 500 track help founded the mini-indy track and made it what it is today!!! Now Tony is backing USAC in a good way and standing by USAC!!! So all in all you should practice what you preach and understand what the mini-indy club is doing to Mr. George!!!

That's just my thoughts!!!



Mini-Indy belongs to the members.  The members voted to remain QMA.  That being said, the elected officers of the club should support that decision or resign.

It's that simple.

After this season the whole situation could be re-examined.  But right now Mini-Indy is QMA, because that is how the members voted.





Title: Re: new indy club
Post by: rjmoul on January 29, 2009, 08:45:38 AM
Now Tony is backing USAC in a good way and standing by USAC!!! So all in all you should practice what you preach and understand what the mini-indy club is doing to Mr. George!!!


My understanding is that Tony George sent a letter of support to Mini Indy for it's bid of the 2010 Grands.   Maybe Tony George is doing the right thing and supporting the sport and it kids,  not a particular organization.     Good for him.


Title: Re: new indy club
Post by: Melmo on January 29, 2009, 10:01:13 AM
Now Tony is backing USAC in a good way and standing by USAC!!! So all in all you should practice what you preach and understand what the mini-indy club is doing to Mr. George!!!


My understanding is that Tony George sent a letter of support to Mini Indy for it's bid of the 2010 Grands.   Maybe Tony George is doing the right thing and supporting the sport and it kids,  not a particular organization.     Good for him.

I believe he may have but I believe that was way before all this USAC deal came around also!!!!


Title: Re: new indy club
Post by: PhilHeil on January 29, 2009, 11:06:03 AM
Now Tony is backing USAC in a good way and standing by USAC!!! So all in all you should practice what you preach and understand what the mini-indy club is doing to Mr. George!!!


My understanding is that Tony George sent a letter of support to Mini Indy for it's bid of the 2010 Grands.   Maybe Tony George is doing the right thing and supporting the sport and it kids,  not a particular organization.     Good for him.

I believe he may have but I believe that was way before all this USAC deal came around also!!!!


?????????

The USAC thing 'deal' came up long before MI even considered applying for the Grands.   :o


Title: Re: new indy club
Post by: Melmo on January 29, 2009, 11:12:57 AM
OK   ::)


Title: Re: new indy club
Post by: PhilHeil on January 29, 2009, 11:15:06 AM
I've made my point so I am done here.  The people involved in this know what they have done, and whether they will admit it or not, know that it was not handled correctly.

Later.


Title: Re: new indy club
Post by: race4qm on January 29, 2009, 11:27:09 AM
I agree with you Phil......this whole USAC VS QMA was handled incorrectly and the people involved should just go with USAC and stop complaining.  I'm so sick of all the lies that these individials have and are still telling everyone.  If you want to race USAC then race USAC, if you want to race QMA then race QMA. 


Title: Re: new indy club
Post by: 2fast4u on January 29, 2009, 11:41:14 AM
What wrong with a club doing both if they can afford it?


Title: Re: new indy club
Post by: twofastanditshows on January 29, 2009, 11:49:00 AM
What wrong with a club doing both if they can afford it?
Exactly, since that was the intent? Last I knew it was a free country, race both, race one, race the other...race as much as you want!


Title: Re: new indy club
Post by: brad_tribble on January 29, 2009, 05:37:14 PM
As for a member of Mini-Indy's board being married to a USAC track's president, I don't see any problem with that.  I know of couples where one works for Verizon and the other for AT&T, one for Coke and one for Pepsi, one for Krogers and one for Wal-mart.  Should one be forced to quit their job in that situation?


Title: Re: new indy club
Post by: PhilHeil on January 29, 2009, 08:28:40 PM
As for a member of Mini-Indy's board being married to a USAC track's president, I don't see any problem with that.  I know of couples where one works for Verizon and the other for AT&T, one for Coke and one for Pepsi, one for Krogers and one for Wal-mart.  Should one be forced to quit their job in that situation?

Well, that depends on the position they hold.  Your examples are very bland.  Denise Thomason is the Secretary of Mini-Indy.  She has access to confidential club information.  That is a problem.

When you sign up to join Mini-Indy you sign up as a family.  If you get a COC everyone is asked to leave the track.  I don't see how you can seperate one from the other.


Title: Re: new indy club
Post by: 2fast4u on January 30, 2009, 08:53:30 AM
war09-deco45???


Title: Re: new indy club
Post by: brad_tribble on January 30, 2009, 09:17:22 AM
QMA and hole...good combination.  Would that be a money hole or an A-hole????  Or, did you meah WHOLE?  Sorry, that one almost wrote itself... ;D


Title: Re: new indy club
Post by: ssssmoke on January 30, 2009, 09:34:17 AM
thats what i think deco or war you have other issues to focus on like spelling, reading, writing , etc.


Title: Re: new indy club
Post by: usache on January 31, 2009, 12:49:01 PM
CONFIDENTAL INFORMATION??? I THOUGHT  ALL THE MEMBERS WERE ENTITLED TO KNOW WHAT`S GOING ON IN THE CLUB!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: new indy club
Post by: brad_tribble on January 31, 2009, 07:49:38 PM
That would be the confidental information as to what QMA offered them to stick with QMA. 


Title: Re: new indy club
Post by: grandma13 on February 03, 2009, 04:40:52 PM
I am curious if any of the Mindi Indi individuals who supported USAC got the notorious letter from QMA or was that only for a couple in Ohio?

Of Course that might be they did not attempt to join.