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Title: Whiteland results?????
Post by: Barr on August 16, 2009, 02:38:11 AM
Anybody have any results?


Title: Re: Whiteland results?????
Post by: Swartz on August 16, 2009, 08:25:29 PM
Yes. Denver 3, Philly 4, LA 5.


Title: Re: Whiteland results?????
Post by: Griffin Brown Racing on August 17, 2009, 10:36:42 AM
I QUIT :( :( :( :( :(


Title: Re: Whiteland results?????
Post by: Barr on August 17, 2009, 11:46:05 AM
WOW Quiting already. I thought I was the only one at wits end. Denver is up by one impressive!


Title: Re: Whiteland results?????
Post by: Swartz on August 17, 2009, 12:10:36 PM
Wow is right. Don't think I have ever ticked someone of to level 5 frowny face before. A new personal best. ;D


Title: Re: Whiteland results?????
Post by: pointtwofive on August 17, 2009, 12:34:08 PM
I don't think Brown is quitting because of you Swartz.
Hey Scott, I think if you can get Griffin's car more comfortable to drive and get him to be smoother with the wheel things will get better. He needs more seat time and maybe try to get him to watch more of the other drivers in practice and racing. Just my two cents. Anyone else care to chime in?

Steve


Title: Re: Whiteland results?????
Post by: RBurns17 on August 17, 2009, 12:57:31 PM
We also run a Nervo with a similar package as yours. They're tricky to fine tune, but once you do the dividends are enormous. Seeing Griffin week after week at Kokomo, he's getting more acclimated to the car every time he gets in it. My only suggestion would be to try and find a couple other cars to play leapfrog with in a practice session. Other than that, it'll just be seat time, especially traveling as much as you guys do.


Title: Re: Whiteland results?????
Post by: Swartz on August 17, 2009, 01:32:35 PM
Never quit untill you win one. Sometimes that changes everything and if it doesn't you are no worse off. The younger drivers usualy respond to advice from other, older drivers a lot better than "dad".


Title: Re: Whiteland results?????
Post by: RBurns17 on August 17, 2009, 02:03:11 PM
Or just threaten to fire them. That's what I do.  ;D JK JK


Title: Re: Whiteland results?????
Post by: pointtwofive on August 17, 2009, 02:20:46 PM
Whiteland results will be posted on the Indy.25 web site as soon as possible.


Title: Re: Whiteland results?????
Post by: Griffin Brown Racing on August 17, 2009, 08:02:33 PM
Thanks!!!!!!!  Everyone!!!!  SWARTZ????????????????????? ???
Just to embarrasing runing that bad,and people in the stands saying HE shouldnt be on the track.
Not the drivers fault!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Crew chief again!!!!!!
I will calm down and be ok!!!!!
Bad weekend,Fri. lost bearing on trailer,SAT couldnt hit a setup,Sun. found out the car I purchased at .25 on Sat. doesnt have the correct rear axel in it!!!!!!!!!!!!  Thats my luck,1 car that I cant make go in a circle,another car that wont leave the garage!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

P.S. Been racing since APRIL 09,still doesnt make me feel any better,when we suck that bad!!!

                                     Scott Brown   


Title: Re: Whiteland results?????
Post by: ssssmoke on August 17, 2009, 08:41:25 PM
our first full year in qm i couldnt keep a chain on the first two race weekends. i worked on the car every evening, and had lots of sleepless nights, ended up 4th in points that year behind some excellent drivers,swartz you were one of them(fleming and combs were the others) if im not mistaken. if you just started in april, brown, i dont think i would panic yet. usually something like a win "flicks the switch" and things turn for the better. keep diggin. is your new car a nervo too?


Title: Re: Whiteland results?????
Post by: Griffin Brown Racing on August 17, 2009, 10:59:51 PM
Thanks!!!  Smoke

Yes,Nervo pro 2000

But 4th would be great!!!!!!!!!

                       Scott


Title: Re: Whiteland results?????
Post by: pointtwofive on August 18, 2009, 08:08:06 AM
MWT series Whiteland results are posted at the Indy.25 web site.
http://www.indy25.com/ (http://www.indy25.com/)
Scroll to the bottom of the page and click on the link under the Midwest Thunder Series banner.



Title: Re: Whiteland results?????
Post by: Swartz on August 18, 2009, 09:29:00 AM
Thanks!!!!!!!  Everyone!!!!  SWARTZ????????????????????? ???
Just to embarrasing runing that bad,and people in the stands saying HE shouldnt be on the track.
Not the drivers fault!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Crew chief again!!!!!!
I will calm down and be ok!!!!!
Bad weekend,Fri. lost bearing on trailer,SAT couldnt hit a setup,Sun. found out the car I purchased at .25 on Sat. doesnt have the correct rear axel in it!!!!!!!!!!!!  Thats my luck,1 car that I cant make go in a circle,another car that wont leave the garage!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

P.S. Been racing since APRIL 09,still doesnt make me feel any better,when we suck that bad!!!

                                     Scott Brown   

If you are having set up problems just come get me or someone else at the next race. If there is time we can go through the whole car setup. No one should have to suck. What problems are you having?


Title: Re: Whiteland results?????
Post by: Griffin Brown Racing on August 18, 2009, 04:16:21 PM
Thanks!!!!!
We were just loose,loose,loose,added cross,was up to 53% still spun out.
Nervo says 98lbs on the left rear wheel is to much,but I just cant seem to get away from it and keep that kind of cross %.
After thought, I think I should have just locked the axel,were on ratchet.


Title: Re: Whiteland results?????
Post by: Swartz on August 18, 2009, 04:49:26 PM
Without knowing what the track width and panhard were set at it's hard to say. Rachet hubs are really picky on stagger too. If you miss much it will do stupid stuff like snap loose in the middle of the straight. We were running 1.25 in. of stagger locked so I would imagine the rachet hub would need about 1 in. Do you have a setup guide or somthing to use?


Title: Re: Whiteland results?????
Post by: RBurns17 on August 18, 2009, 07:30:26 PM
The best advice dad gave me when we started running our car was not to diagnose the exit of the car. Because 9 times out of 10, it's the opposite of entry. For example, if the car is tight on entry, most likely it's going to snap loose center out. So what we always do is diagnose entry before anything else. So sometimes, the car might be spinning out coming out of the turn, but that doesn't exactly mean it's loose.

I think at Kokomo, we run somewhere in the 29-32% cross range. Which some people would think is crazy but it's always worked really well for us. We took an entire practice day getting our driver acclimated to loose on entry and what we found was that the looser we make him on entry, the better he does and the better the car bites coming out of the turn. This is true with a ratchet and with it unlocked.


Title: Re: Whiteland results?????
Post by: TQ97 on August 18, 2009, 07:50:10 PM
I agree.  All day I thought I was fighting a "loose" condition off. It wasn't until I went outside turns 1 and 2 to watch the main to realize it was a combination of him entering early and being a bit tight on entry that was causing him to snap around on exit.   Frustrating day, but I learned something.


Title: Re: Whiteland results?????
Post by: racemom2000 on August 18, 2009, 08:42:58 PM
Hang in there, Scott B. There's always going to be bad race days. But the good one's (& they do come) more than make up for the bad one's. Usually if you (humbly) ask to pick a successful handler's brain for a few moments - they'll provide you with some good information. Especially if you can catch them when they're "not" stressing about their own car/driver.

Unfortunately, racing doesn't come with a how-to manual - so the majority of things you'll have to pick up through you're own sweat & tears. But experienced handlers know this (they've been there), and most are willing to give you some ideas that will point you in the right direction. Just make sure that if they ask you to keep certain setup info they're sharing with you secret from your racemates (or theirs), that you do just that. And who knows, maybe one day you can return the favor & help "them" with something.

You've gotten some wonderful offers of help here on the board. So take advantage of it. You'll do just fine, these things just take time.....


Title: Re: Whiteland results?????
Post by: Griffin Brown Racing on August 19, 2009, 12:54:09 AM
Thanks everyone!!!!!!!
Maybe it was the stager,I increased cross and stager to 3.25
He was having to saw the wheel horble, Then it would snap
around. I thought it was loose!!!!!

but I have a hard time being able to tell the difference !
I know the difference just can't always see it.
Rear panhard r 1in up,l 3holes down.
Width 33.5


Scott


Title: Re: Whiteland results?????
Post by: racemom2000 on August 19, 2009, 11:22:36 AM
The stagger & panhard settings sound about right. But I don't know anything about the track you were racing, 'cause we're in florida. And our home track is long (1/10 mile), flat asphalt with slightly banked corners.

The most important thing with making adjusting for track conditions is: the driver "has" to be driving the proper line. If he/she isn't driving the proper line, you're trying to diagnose problems that probably don't exist.

If you increase stagger by adding psi's to the RF, you're actually making the RF tire contact patch smaller (which reduces grip). That can make the car feel loose. If it was the RF that didn't want to stick, then I'd suggest reducing the RF tire pressure 1-2 psi's to see how that does. You can also try grooving the tire. But don't try to do this by yourself the first few times, because you can go too deep. Same goes for rear stagger & bite, just flip the logic around.

Also, when you make adjustments - make sure you only do one thing at a time & take careful notes of the change (with it's results), before adjusting something else. Otherwise, you won't know what adjustment worked/didn't work for your particular problem.


Title: Re: Whiteland results?????
Post by: Swartz on August 19, 2009, 11:58:33 AM
Whaitaminute. Changing stagger with air pressure is a big mistake. Changing air pressure changes the spring rate of the tire about 4 lbs per 1 psi so a change of 5 psi would be like adding 20 lbs of spring. You can stretch or shrink tires and change rim widths to get stagger but stay with the correct pressure.