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Teampanther
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« on: April 04, 2012, 05:26:21 AM »

Why does it seem that window nets are allowed to be used to limit the movement to the right side of the car instead of using an actual headrest? In my opinion that would be a big safety issue due the fact that some of the window nets have a gap big enough for the driver's helmet to fit through and cause serious injury to the driver's neck. Maybe someone can shine some light on the subject.
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« Reply #1 on: April 04, 2012, 08:03:03 AM »

It is a handler option. I think you see this more with the younger kids. With the weight of the helmet on their necks they get fatigued and can not hold their head up. I think people use window nets because they are easy to intsall. We use headrests, their is alot more time involved into fitting and welding them together. I would think that if USAC were to mandate a headrest it would put them in a liabilty issue should a child get injured because of one. Then you would get into what shape would it need to be, how thick would the material need to be, what type of material, how should it be mounted then would it need to have a SFI rating.
Just my opinion.
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Teampanther
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« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2012, 06:58:22 PM »

I know at our track, the window net has went away and the typical aluminium headrest made by Kirkey has been used on several cars of young drivers and older drivers. Many people are using Tanner tach mounts to bolt the headrest to the rollcage. I just personally think a normal headrest would be better to custom mount for the driver's safety. Thank you for your input CPG.
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« Reply #3 on: April 05, 2012, 07:56:57 AM »

Head rests are a great idea. Unfortunatly I feel the current off the shelf head rests are ineffective. Here's why. The current off the shelf head rests I have come across only get bolted to only one bar (except for the Lajoie) and can rotate around that single bar once a large amount of force get applied. The second reason they are ineffective is due to the fact from every one of those I have seen mounted, the kids head is no where near it. This is due to leaning out of the car. That is another topic for another which has been discussed and brought up several times.

If you can fab one up that gets mounted to 2 donw tubes then by all means I would recomend it. We used a Lajoie headrest which had both left and right side support but the left side caused an issue with entering and exiting the car. The Lajoie head rest also mounted to 2 bars as well.

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« Reply #4 on: April 05, 2012, 01:01:18 PM »

I agree the fact of it only mounting on one tube and it being able to move if hit hard enough. The headrests that have been running at our track are mounted rather close the drivers helmet and many teams have started to lean less outside the car(thank goodness).I just feel that the off the shelf headrest is alot better option than an off the shelf window net to use as a way to help with driver head lean.
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« Reply #5 on: April 05, 2012, 10:38:02 PM »

I took our nets out of our cars.  They don't do enough and they are best suited to keep hands inside the car, but with wrist restraints, the net is not needed.  The hard head rest is a goo thing and really needed for smaller kids that have a hard time holding thier head up.  USAC allows them, but they cannot be positioned where they hold the drivers head outside the confines of the rollcage.  The kids are going to lean out...but you cannot use a device to hold thier head out.

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« Reply #6 on: April 05, 2012, 11:59:42 PM »

We are allowed to use them but I seen several pictures from a USAC event recently that had several cars using a window net as a way to "help" with helmet lean. The headrest might move if hit hard enough but that is kinda good thing,with some give if hit hard enough.If it didn't move at all we might be looking at neck injuries since its not a full containment type setup.
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« Reply #7 on: April 06, 2012, 09:08:23 AM »

Nets are for Fishing, Head rest are for Sleepin', Leanin' is for restin'....... Just sit up and drive!

Just kiddin' with the little kids. Bubba used a head rest for his first 2 years(5-6 yrs old) when he was in a Kirkey seat and the head rest was mounted to the seat. He was sooooo small he had lots of problems keeping his head up especially in the corners. SO first thing we did was make him wear his helmet at home when he played video games to try and build some neck strength. Now, after 9 years of racing he is finally in the heavy class, no seat, no lean, no head rest and he is safe and competative.

BTW I have a few window nets for sale as they never really did anything but get in the way.


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« Reply #8 on: April 08, 2012, 03:06:44 AM »

I have ran window nets on my cars but never as a headrest. We used them for what they were ment to do,help protect the driver. I would love to figure out a way to mount a net on the left side of the car but its kinda pointless because the driver opening is so big to start with.
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« Reply #9 on: April 09, 2012, 10:14:36 AM »

Hey Panther, funny you say that about the left side because the worst injury I've seen in 10 years of QM's was a left broken arm(multiple breaks) because a car bumper got into that left side opening and hit the driver in the left arm. The driver returned the following year to race again but the arm needed lots of work to repair.

With that being said, what are your nerf bars like on the left side....Jersey bar, mommy bar? I have seen some ad even additional bars making the opening smaller. Works good for smaller kids but can be any issue for bigger kids getting in and out of the car. What ever it takes to make a handler feel comfortable able their driver's safety, I say!
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« Reply #10 on: April 09, 2012, 10:08:05 PM »

We have an additional bar bolted on but my son still ended up with a car inside his car with him. The right rear was right by his head.
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« Reply #11 on: April 10, 2012, 09:25:55 AM »

Youth Racing is dangerous, but football, hockey, baseball etc are all showing much higher major injury rates than QM's. SO you keep doing a great job protecting your kid, because if he plays team sports his safety is out of your hands. Studies are starting to show that the continued impact of youth football can/will cause brian issues in the future. Why do you think I am the way I am.....13 years of football! LOL
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« Reply #12 on: April 10, 2012, 02:06:03 PM »

Same here with football, went from playing football to racing. My wife said I needed to have my head checked when I said I wanted to start racing....lol. My racing ended and my kids took over with my daughter then my son followed his sister. Racing has actually brought them together more since there is 5 years difference between them. He was her "crew chief" on her go kart and her first yer of qm then he wanted behind the wheel. They now will sit and talk about what is happening on the track. Now when we get home thats another thing....lol.
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« Reply #13 on: April 10, 2012, 03:11:35 PM »

Nothing can bring families together better than racing. Same here as we were blesssed to travel the country over the past 8 years with both my son and his older sister racing and spending time together. Try that in a team stick and ball sport.
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« Reply #14 on: April 28, 2012, 11:54:33 AM »

This is pretty far down in the long line of seemingly illogical things you'll see people do.

I had a lady freak out on me one time because my driver didn't want his tires in the shade or a popsicle under a red flag. I didn't see what the big deal was, but she brought it up in several meetings and on an internet forum. I suppose in her mind it was as crazy as some of us see using a window net.
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