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Title: Columbus Indoors
Post by: USACRULES on February 11, 2009, 02:29:41 AM
What motor and axle gears do we need to run Senior Novice at the Columbus indoor track? We are new to QM's and will be going there Saturday for training.
Any help will be appreciated!


Title: Re: Columbus Indoors
Post by: ssssmoke on February 11, 2009, 11:06:00 AM
im gonna take a guess and say 35 engine 31 axle. should be the same as jr. honda. ill do some checking for you.


Title: Re: Columbus Indoors
Post by: bracing on February 11, 2009, 12:03:02 PM
Last year we ran senior novice at the indoors we ran a 35engine gear and a 30 axle gear and seemed to do ok. If your not getting enough rpms then I would try a 31 axle gear. Hope that helps a little. Good luck!


Title: Re: Columbus Indoors
Post by: ssssmoke on February 11, 2009, 04:32:55 PM
sounds like your in the ballpark USAC


Title: Re: Columbus Indoors
Post by: 2fast4u on February 11, 2009, 08:04:24 PM
Does anybody know if the go-cart ran this past weekend.


Title: Re: Columbus Indoors
Post by: ctaylor on February 11, 2009, 09:31:35 PM
USACRULES, I will be going this weekend for the first time (SR Novice) and I am getting the same answer 35/31. I guess we will both be close or out to lunch.


Title: Re: Columbus Indoors
Post by: USACRULES on February 11, 2009, 11:57:28 PM
Thank you for you replies. It is greatly appreciated.
Now let's go racing! USACRULES


Title: Re: Columbus Indoors
Post by: 2fast4u on February 15, 2009, 11:37:00 AM
How did your Sr. Novices do yesterday guys?


Title: Re: Columbus Indoors
Post by: Griffin Brown Racing on February 15, 2009, 03:31:47 PM
First time in a QM !!!!!!!!
We were fast right out of the trailer in practice!!!!!
For the race never changed a thing,started outside second row,FIRST RACE- FIRST WIN !!!!!!!
 :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

Had a great time,awesome people,great Novice program.!!!
Thanks!!!  For all the info and advice Jeff,Larry,Larry,Frank.

                                            Scott Brown
                              Driver #4 Griffin Brown
                              Nervo Pro 2000


Title: Re: Columbus Indoors
Post by: ctaylor on February 15, 2009, 08:26:33 PM
we stunk 1 dad mistake 1 wreck but worth the time


Title: Re: Columbus Indoors
Post by: 2fast4u on February 15, 2009, 10:48:13 PM
Congratulations to Griffin and dad, your off to a good start.ctaylor thats what we are here for FUN.


Title: Re: Columbus Indoors
Post by: pointtwofive on February 16, 2009, 11:09:59 AM
Was it me or did anyone else notice alot of biking this past weekend and several cars hard into the wall? One driver in Sr. Honda C Main was taken away in an ambulance, does anyone know how he is doing?


Title: Re: Columbus Indoors
Post by: goffin20 on February 16, 2009, 01:10:13 PM
Very nasty wreck, I dont know for sure who it was but I hope he is ok.

At least the vegas cant be blamed for the biking but I dont hear anyone blaming the other brands?  There were also alot of fast cars that were not biking.  Apparently they are doing something right so its in the setup, as with the vegas outdoors.


Title: Re: Columbus Indoors
Post by: pointtwofive on February 16, 2009, 03:55:37 PM
I think it was A.J. Hoffman?
Can anyone confirm and advise on his condition?


Title: Re: Columbus Indoors
Post by: 2fast4u on February 16, 2009, 04:11:51 PM
I had heard that he came back to the track with a neck brace on towards the end of the night.


Title: Re: Columbus Indoors
Post by: lnrracing on February 16, 2009, 07:52:47 PM
Very nasty wreck, I dont know for sure who it was but I hope he is ok.

At least the vegas cant be blamed for the biking but I dont hear anyone blaming the other brands?  There were also alot of fast cars that were not biking.  Apparently they are doing something right so its in the setup, as with the vegas outdoors.

I agree with the fact that the biking issue in QMs are not the fault of the tires.  Tires are an important part of the setup, but only a piece of an "overall package".  The biking is an issue of car setup, and also sometimes driving line.  We need to teach our kids that if the "setup" is missed for a particular race, that they need to feel it, and change their driving accordingly.  I know that QMs are driven flat out, but in certain instances our drivers need to realize that the car is not handling properly, and save themselves, their car, and other competitors for the next event.  It is something that they will learn eventually, throttle control! 
 Happy racing!

Lincoln Chapple


Title: Re: Columbus Indoors
Post by: goffin20 on February 16, 2009, 08:01:15 PM
I don’t blame the drivers at all, their handlers are the ones that insist on running the car so tight that it bikes race after race.

A car bikes consistently race after race, what’s the handler doing to fix the problem?


Title: Re: Columbus Indoors
Post by: brad_tribble on February 16, 2009, 08:40:01 PM
He is back at the trailer eating a hot dog and polishing the $1000 paint job that he had done recently.  There is no excuse for a car that bikes.  I have never had a problem with a car that I set up doing it and I am probably in the bottom 10% of handlers. 


Title: Re: Columbus Indoors
Post by: lnrracing on February 16, 2009, 08:53:57 PM
Don't take the car out of the driver's hands, and also don't discount the information that the driver needs to relay to his "handler" or team.  I understand that the handler may want a tight car, but the car can be tight without biking.  If the drivers would drive the car the way that it is set up, then maybe the handlers would be quicker to make a change in the right direction.  Not always can you make adjustments to the handling by watching the action of the car from the pits!  While I see your point, I don't see how the blame of biking excessively, out of control, can be blamed on the handler while on the track.  The drivers need to be aware of what is going on!!  The handler should make adjustments to the car after realizing that the car is unstable, but the driver needs to deliver the equipment back to the pits.  I understand that you are also trying to convey a point to certain parties that may be reading this, but I am also trying to teach my drivers that they have on track decisions to make and information to find and share with their team. If the car bikes week after week, then I definitley see your point and totally agree with you Scott.  Happy racing!


Title: Re: Columbus Indoors
Post by: ssssmoke on February 16, 2009, 09:46:53 PM
some handlers dont have the experience of others so i think its on the whole race team not to bike or adjust not to bike. there is no practice time at the indoors so if you are a first timer and you are biking you have to depend on your driver some to adjust driving style.


Title: Re: Columbus Indoors
Post by: goffin20 on February 16, 2009, 10:31:52 PM
Yes, I am referring to transfer after transfer, race after race, track after track, it always seems to be the same ones with biking issues.

Yes, the driver can compensate for a biking car to a certain extent, then after the race, it’s in the handlers hands.


Title: Re: Columbus Indoors
Post by: ssssmoke on February 16, 2009, 10:40:48 PM
agree, but tire dope doesnt help matters at the indoors for those who struggle. i was happy to have loose conditions this last outing. very happy!!


Title: Re: Columbus Indoors
Post by: LLR on February 17, 2009, 08:59:33 AM
biking was a problem at the indoor.Lets look at the big picture.Track temp, it wasn't as cold as it used to be.The second thing is the heaters were left on in the corners.That will make a car bike at indoors.If the handler doesn't notice it there's were the problem begins.If your a handler that has 2 to three cars I can see were you don't have time looking at that stuff.


Title: Re: Columbus Indoors
Post by: goffin20 on February 17, 2009, 12:38:07 PM
If handlers don’t have time to notice an issue and address it because they are running multiple cars, then its time to scale down their program so they can safely compete and not put their kids and others in harms way.

It’s that ego thing again, not being able to admit that they bit off more than they could chew.


Title: Re: Columbus Indoors
Post by: Racerrob on February 17, 2009, 02:36:54 PM
Just to let everyone know, Saturday was the first time in A.J.'s 4 years of racing that the car biked. He had never biked a car before and did not have the experience to know what to do to prevent it from biking or what to do after it was on two wheels. Chalk it up to a painful and expensive driving/setup lesson.

Rob Hoffman


Title: Re: Columbus Indoors
Post by: goffin20 on February 17, 2009, 02:54:56 PM
Rob, please understand that NONE of my posts are directed to you or AJ.  They are in regards to on going biking issues and handlers that do nothing about it.

I’m glad he is ok, we were in that race and that wreck scared the hell out of me, as most flips do, my heart dropped to my stomach.  I always look over at our kids and wonder if it’s worth the risk and could I handle it if it were one of our boys.

Hope to see you guys back and be safe.


Title: Re: Columbus Indoors
Post by: lnrracing on February 17, 2009, 03:36:35 PM
Rob,

Glad to hear AJ is doing okay, and my comments also were not directed toward either of you.  I was arguing the point in general, and not over one particular incident.  My son broke his elbow last year in a dirtbike race, and although I feel like he could have done something to avoid the crash, he is in the process of learning to make quick decisions.  I was hard on myself for quite awhile for putting my son in harms way, but came to realize that it is part of racing.  We work as a team, and when something happens to a member of the team, it hurts everyone.  Thats why all of these kids will be winners in life.  Thanks for updating the racing community on AJ, and please inform him that many people have been praying for him. 

Have fun in Cali!!!!


Title: Re: Columbus Indoors
Post by: Racerrob on February 19, 2009, 06:33:30 PM
No offense taken guys. I just wanted everyone to know where I stood on the biking issue.

Rob Hoffman