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Title: tampa race
Post by: ssssmoke on January 27, 2009, 04:45:15 PM
wow, took a look at that race format for tampa. hope thats not what its going to cost to run all usac events. 30 dollars to practice is rediculous. 40 pre entry 50 late entry. come on boys that is gouging a little dont you think. is that what it cost for tampa or all usac? anyone know. i would like to hear something back on this!!!


Title: Re: tampa race
Post by: brad_tribble on January 27, 2009, 05:40:01 PM
Seemed a little steep but isn't that race a qualifier for the national?  Regional races in QMA always cost more then local races. 

Brad


Title: Re: tampa race
Post by: clouse55 on January 27, 2009, 06:21:39 PM
Got your answer Smoke!! This race being a District qualifier is similar to a states race, entry for states race around here last year was $40. As far as the practice. There is a normal 1 round practice session just like we are all familiar with on Sat. The Friday practice is open practice, by division, round after round, all day, manned by USAC people not the club. That way pressure is taken off the club when they are trying to park, sign in, etc. otherwise a friday practice session would be out of the question. Which is cool for out of towners to be able to practice right before the race which we have never been allowed to do before. The cost of the practice is covering the extra day for the USAC personnel to be there and will also let them be able to start safety inspections and any other pre-race functions that when done on friday will help speed up things for saturday. $30 might be a little much but not having to worry about anything else but racing and being with family and friends is worth something.   


Title: Re: tampa race
Post by: ssssmoke on January 27, 2009, 09:27:46 PM
you pay 30 on fri instead of having to pay an associate membership, i understand that but is that 30 for each car?


Title: Re: tampa race
Post by: deco45 on January 28, 2009, 02:37:33 AM
$30 dollers per car to practice
$40 per car entry if late it's $50
Only the people with alot of money can run USAC


Title: Re: tampa race
Post by: 2fast4u on January 28, 2009, 08:55:58 AM
Again, your look at things one sided.


Title: Re: tampa race
Post by: ssssmoke on January 28, 2009, 10:22:00 AM
its a qualifier race so the price is about the same, i noticed new symrna race around the holidays was the same prices, is it more expensive to race in florida? seems that way. i absolutely do not agree with the 50 dollar late fee. and i do not agree with 30 per car. it should be a flat 30 (like what you would pay for a associate membership to practice at a track). also you can practice for free like a normal regional race( probably a three minute prac.)


Title: Re: tampa race
Post by: goffin20 on January 28, 2009, 11:49:51 AM
Late fees are everywhere, it is a way to get most people registered ahead of time so the hosting club has a way of knowing how many will show up for the event.

It’s no different than the grand’s, rumble series, banquets, concerts or anything else so I don’t see a problem with it.

As for the extra 10.00 for entry fees, I think to have trained people at the events to flag and such to keep racers from doing it is great.  More time with family, working on cars and maybe even time to sit down for a minute and eat lunch.

As for the additional practice day on Friday, 30.00 can add up quickly with multiple cars.  4 cars to practice would add 120.00 to your bill, not counting any repairs as a result of some that think their racing for the championship and take you out.

Maybe the fee is high because they do not anticipate having many people being able to show up on Friday to practice due to work schedules and travel time and this would ensure that there was enough to cover the officials for the few that are able to make it.

At least they wont be charging for gas for you to practice with like at the states race.


Title: Re: tampa race
Post by: deco45 on January 28, 2009, 01:30:59 PM
You cry about a fly wheel that cost $100,but it's alright to pay these fees!
COME ON GUYS OPEN YOUR EYES


Title: Re: tampa race
Post by: Swartz on January 28, 2009, 03:28:00 PM
States race fees last year were $35 per. plus all the Vegas you could stand to buy. We burnt up 6 sets.


Title: Re: tampa race
Post by: deco45 on January 28, 2009, 04:00:31 PM
 WHAT WAS THE FEE PER. CAR TO PRACTICES AT THE STATES RACE?
IF BURNT 6 SET OF VEGAS, IT WILL TAKE YOU 9 SET OF HOOSIERS, IF YOU NEED NEW TIRES EVERY TIME YOU GO ON THE TRACK YOU NEED TO WORK ON YOUR SETUP


Title: Re: tampa race
Post by: tarpondawg on January 28, 2009, 05:27:47 PM
Trust me..........you will be thankful you spent the money for practice at the Tampa track!


Title: Re: tampa race
Post by: Swartz on January 28, 2009, 05:37:20 PM
The only pre race practice allowed was the 3 minute rounds before qualifying so if you wanted to work out your setup prior you would have to run  a weekly race. What's that cost?
We run Hvy. A and WF so it really isn't a fair comparison. They will burn up anything we put on. Our Hvy. 160 could get 1 race day out of a set of Vegas.
So far I haven't seen any mention of $100 parking or $150 hardship fees. Besides, it would cost me about $700 in fuel to tow to that race and $150 to $300 for hotels. $30? Puuleeze. If we were to go I would only practice one car anyway. It's more for the driver to learn the track than to set up the car.
Who is this deco45 anyway? Seems to have a realy bad attitude.


Title: Re: tampa race
Post by: goffin20 on January 28, 2009, 05:55:13 PM
True, I know many that travel to tracks before regionals and grands to get their setups right which would cost alot more money.  I just feel for those that cannot get off work in time to make it out for the additional practice time.


Title: Re: tampa race
Post by: Swartz on January 28, 2009, 08:30:25 PM
Here is a freebie. We put on new Vegas at the dirt grands. They didn't wear at all but I don't know if it was the high moisture content or granular racing surface or maybe the chemicals used on the track that seemed to finnish the vulcanization process that somehow more than doubled the life of the tires. We ran 2 more regionals on those tires and they never slowed down. Did you notice the same thing Scott?


Title: Re: tampa race
Post by: goffin20 on January 28, 2009, 09:03:34 PM
Yes, we raced the same Vegas on the WF at the Dirt Grand’s, transferred 5 times to the A-Main and finished 8th, that’s alot of laps and they were unmarred.

We then Qualified and Raced those Vegas at the next Regional race on the Lt. 160 car, flipped them and then the NEXT Regional raced on the Jr. Honda Car and even practiced about 50 laps a couple weeks later.  Most use we have EVER gotten out of a Vega, made me want to only run dirt until I spent 3 days cleaning all 4 cars...  :-(

Usually on the Lt. 160 we get one regional, flip and one more regional and they are toast.  Unless we have to transfer alot and then we need to mount more.  The WF gets one regional and they are junk, basically two transfers, any more better buy more tires.


Title: Re: tampa race
Post by: Swartz on January 28, 2009, 11:10:19 PM
Low profile? HAHAHAAAAHA!!!! ( sorry Scott ) deco45, are you a real person or just some kid screwing around?


Title: Re: tampa race
Post by: goffin20 on January 28, 2009, 11:16:45 PM
Must be because I stay out of the clicks and political BS, or maybe it’s because I have 3 boys and working on 4 cars alone keeps me at the trailer most of the time?

We are members of the Buckeye club, didn’t run any weeklies this year, only region 4, some Mid Ohio’s, the Dirt Grand’s and Ft. Wayne.

You must also keep a low profile because I don’t recognize Deco45 or your pic either?


Title: Re: tampa race
Post by: ssssmoke on January 28, 2009, 11:47:24 PM
and he is talking about 3 or 4 cars at mv and moc. has he ever been there? even though deco is fun to laugh at here and there, i think we should just ignore his post, there is nothing to get out of them.


Title: Re: tampa race
Post by: 2fast4u on January 30, 2009, 08:51:16 AM
He's baaaack


Title: Re: tampa race
Post by: Swartz on January 30, 2009, 10:37:54 AM
$30 dollers per car to practice
$40 per car entry if late it's $50
Only the people with alot of money can run USAC
                                                                                                                          What's up with the cost just to practice?Is this what we have to look forward to this year!!!!!!!!!!!
I wonder if this guy is texting from the 24 foot double stack trailer next to his 40 foot mobile home that seem to be getting so popular. How is driving to Michigan 4 times this year cheaper? Personaly I'm looking forward to the regional banquet and that is going to set us back a couple of hundred dollars. If you have never been to a great wolf's lodge let me tell you about it. Our son got to go to one as a present from his aunt. When we stopped to pick him up I went down to the ticket counter so he could cash in for prizes. The very first thing I saw was a little girl, probably eight or so, in her pajamas with twizzlers and an ice cream cone in one hand a Mountain Dew and a $20 bill in the other trying to stuff it into a token machine next to a claw machine full of suckers and Tootsi Rolls. It was 11:00 p.m. and one of my nephews was going back to the Starbucks in the lobby to get another iced coffee. A little Las Vegas for 6 to 12 year olds. Should be a blast for the kids.


Title: Re: tampa race
Post by: sfreitas20 on January 30, 2009, 08:15:46 PM
For the person that said: "Only people with a lot of money can race USAC" - What type of car, engine and tire program do you have?  My guess is a car that costs several thousand dollars, an engine that costs a thousand or more and tires that cost 240 a set.  Then throw in an enclosed trailer, a tow vehicle, tools, spare parts...etc.  Guess what...only people with a lot of money can race (PERIOD)  No matter how much anyone tries to control costs, it is still expensive as hell to race at any level and that is fine because it keeps it so only those that are serious about it actually do race. (Dont take this the wrong way...my family is by no means wealthy...we were just about the smallest setup at the Little 500, the point is racing isn't cheap).
As for QMA vs USAC costs go - My boy ran the Little 500 at New Smyrna and we spent a little bit more to do that than it will cost us to race the District Qualifier in Tampa.  Again add up how much you have invested in racing QMs and then try to keep a straight face while telling me $70 is ridiculous to spend to race a states/district level event.
Hoosiers vs Vegas - We haven't had the pleasure of running Vegas on our son's car yet, but we did run the new A35 Hoosiers that are the spec tire in Tampa this past weekend and there is almost no noticable wear at all.  I know the other classes wear them out much faster than our class does but overall I was pretty impressed with how the Hoosiers held up.

I guess what I am saying is..
When you count everything, the costs between QMA and USAC really aren't that different (anyone see the trailer fee for Huntsville yet?).
There is no way to please everyone with a tires selection because everyone has loyalties to something.  But at least everyone will be on the same thing in Tampa.
Finally...if $70 is too much for a district race you can always just stay home. ;)