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Title: QMA - they are at it again
Post by: sprintcar39 on February 03, 2011, 09:17:47 AM
WOW   - QMA delivers several more certified letters to QM families telling them that they are no longer wanted or needed. I hear that at least one of them is a Lifetime ban (I'm jealous).

The QMA BOD keeps asking why so many QM racers and families are interested in USAC .25 and then they do this to great QM families. DUH

The lies, threats and games continue from the QMA National Board and some Regional directors. I for one am so happy we don't have to deal with them anymore.

Eric Rankine



Title: Re: QMA - they are at it again
Post by: sfreitas20 on February 03, 2011, 10:20:26 AM
It amazes me that in these times anyone would want to run off paying supporters of their organization/company.


Title: Re: QMA - they are at it again
Post by: ogracing on February 03, 2011, 11:51:50 AM
is qma still around i don't know :-\


Title: Re: QMA - they are at it again
Post by: Karnes29 on February 03, 2011, 02:54:27 PM
I Have had a lot of people asking us to join qma so we can run the new track here in ohio but i don't think i want to take my chances on getting a call or a letter telling me that we are no longer members.Maybe they can run everyone off and they will all join usac and the car counts will go up and we will have some really good racing.


Title: Re: QMA - they are at it again
Post by: streihawk8 on February 03, 2011, 02:59:06 PM
Are you inferring that we don't have really good racing now?


Title: Re: QMA - they are at it again
Post by: Walker23 on February 03, 2011, 04:12:16 PM
I guess thats one way to build membership numbers.....

Maybe is't the economy?


Title: Re: QMA - they are at it again
Post by: sprintcar39 on February 03, 2011, 04:19:16 PM
The next thing you will hear is that they want to control the club and that they can do whatever they want to with your club. Wait...they just tried that with the Little T club.

They would have to request every QMA club to submit their bylaws for approval...then QMA BOD will have them modified the way they want them so that they will control the club and not the membership.


Title: Re: QMA - they are at it again
Post by: Karnes29 on February 03, 2011, 04:38:29 PM
streihawk8
No I just mean there would be a lot more cars and the racing would be good,Instead of a certain class having 2 or 3 cars there could be a full field in every class.

Simply Put


Title: Re: QMA - they are at it again
Post by: sfreitas20 on February 03, 2011, 04:38:59 PM
At the National Meeting they just said how this year they are going to push really hard for each club to turn in a copy of their by-laws to the National Board.  It was during Ziggy's presentation.


Title: Re: QMA - they are at it again
Post by: SAKMotorsports on February 03, 2011, 04:57:19 PM
You had to do that when I was president at Mini-Indy, a few years ago. The National Board has to approve your bylaws, and something else.....That's right they have to approve your membership list as well..... ;D


Title: Re: QMA - they are at it again
Post by: CPG Racing on February 03, 2011, 06:53:38 PM
Hats off to QMA for chasing their good members away. I though that they were all about the kids. WOW they proved that theory WRONG. Little T had a few bad apples, but QMA stood behind the bad apples instead of the good ones. At the rate QMA is going they will not be around in another 5 years, especially with their current leadership that is in control now.


Title: Re: QMA - they are at it again
Post by: Phil on February 03, 2011, 07:30:08 PM
 What is bad the families that recieved this latest round of termination letters have been some of the longest and best supporters of QMA for years. The general QMA membership wants these kind of actions to stop, just read the QMA forum. But the NBOD just seem to not get the hint.
 
 The QMA NBOD also came up with a first to live stream the national meeting which is currently ongoing. Feed was interupted during the Briggs & Stratton presentstion and nothing so far during the RCP voting. WAKE UP CLUBS!!!!!! Have you ever heard of being treated like mushrooms, kept in the dark and fed bullcrap!!     


Title: Re: QMA - they are at it again
Post by: TQ97 on February 03, 2011, 08:42:44 PM
Just curious if anyone will publicly show this list or a copy of the letter? 


Title: Re: QMA - they are at it again
Post by: sprintcar39 on February 03, 2011, 10:24:31 PM
Nigh,  I dont have the original list as I was on that list. Mark Wilsdon made up the list. Although he denied ever making the list, he in the end got caught up in his lies also. Tony Marks and Julee Morris (current R4 Secretary) were part of the R4 BOD at the time so If you asked the R4 secretary I am sure she could give it to you or maybe Mark would give it to you?

Mark had to end up apologizing to R4 for making all the false statements at the R4 presidents meeting. He had sent the list to Kaeco without any approval from the QMA BOD (so they say). It wasn't until Tad Fiser talked to Kaeco and they told him that all R4 memberships were being held up because of the list that lead Tad to contacting QMA and told them about what Mark Wilsdon was doing with the memberships and that caused to him getting caught in his lie.



Title: Re: QMA - they are at it again
Post by: TQ97 on February 03, 2011, 10:32:14 PM
Eric,

I was just getting involved in quarter midgets and heard about the list and your letter back then.  Maybe I misread your post....I understood you to say that this is happening again? 

A.J. Nigh


Title: Re: QMA - they are at it again
Post by: sprintcar39 on February 03, 2011, 10:43:08 PM
Nigh,    Yes..... although this is tough on some of the families and their kids I have been told some will be posting the latest round of letters from the QMA National Board. It has been an ongoing practice of QMA. Many of the people cower to the threats from the board and say nothing. SAD


Title: Re: QMA - they are at it again
Post by: CPG Racing on February 04, 2011, 12:04:03 AM
Here is my letter that I received this week from QMA (2 links: 1 for each page). I am the President at Little T and looking forward to running under USAC this season.  With this letter, QMA kicked out a 6 & 7 yr old...so much for Racing for The Kids!
-Dale Gross

http://www.midwestthunder.org/QMA_Letter_p1.jpg (http://www.midwestthunder.org/QMA_Letter_p1.jpg)


http://www.midwestthunder.org/QMA_Letter_p2.jpg (http://www.midwestthunder.org/QMA_Letter_p2.jpg)




Title: Re: QMA - they are at it again
Post by: RBurns17 on February 04, 2011, 04:03:11 AM
It wouldn't be the offseason if there wasn't a major mess up by QMA. It seems to be fast becoming a tradition.


Title: Re: QMA - they are at it again
Post by: Kendall42 on February 04, 2011, 09:11:47 AM
Wow! That last paragraph of the letter got me!

"membership in QMA is a privaledge not a right and should never be taken for granted"

Are you freakin kidding me? Arrogance will be the death of QMA.  It is a right if you pay your money just like everyone else does and it is a free country to speak your mind.

It is sad when little people with a complex get into a position of power and try to throw their weight around.


Title: Re: QMA - they are at it again
Post by: Karnes29 on February 04, 2011, 10:06:28 AM
After reading that, All i can say is Thank God For USAC!


Title: Re: QMA - they are at it again
Post by: racedude on February 04, 2011, 10:44:00 AM
I thought this was a USAC website, why all the QMA don't they have a webxite of their own?


Title: Re: QMA - they are at it again
Post by: Swartz on February 04, 2011, 11:09:48 AM
QMA does have a forum, BUT.... you have to be a "member in good standing" and aproved by the powers that be to participate. Even openly discussing these letters would get you thrown out of QMA.


Title: Re: QMA - they are at it again
Post by: ogracing on February 04, 2011, 12:00:16 PM
qma is already done they just dont know it yet very sad but they did it to themselves


Title: Re: QMA - they are at it again
Post by: sfreitas20 on February 04, 2011, 10:55:33 PM
"membership in QMA is a privilege not a right and should never be taken for granted"

I think this is the best thing about USAC.  Whenever I have called or spoken to James, Kevin, Jason or anyone else at USAC they made me feel like they felt privileged I chose to be a part of their organization.  That is what keeps people coming back!


Title: Re: QMA - they are at it again
Post by: Kendall42 on February 05, 2011, 12:59:48 AM
USAC gets it!  You are right...the racers make the show..they spend the money to make the show.  USAC does a great job and make the racers feel welcome and understand if they did not have the racers, they have no show.  They also listen to the racers!  They may not always respond so nicely...right James?  But they listen anyway. 

Sorry...just have to poke fun at James...think I kinda got on his nerves last year.  Never one to bite my tongue.  But have to give credit where credit is due...James and USAC do a great job...we have enjoyed QM racing more since joining USAC then ever before!  That is why even with Austin turning 16...we do not want to move on...having too much fun in USAC .25!  Wish we could start over again!


Title: Re: QMA - they are at it again
Post by: sfreitas20 on February 05, 2011, 11:10:01 PM
I have to applaud what QMA is doing with the engines going forward!  Hopefully they don't come out with some crazy rules package that makes it so we can't run our same engines we already have.


Title: Re: QMA - they are at it again
Post by: sprintcar39 on February 07, 2011, 11:53:19 AM
Streitas20,  you know that they will do that just to make it difficult for the QMA people to run USAC events. It is the SOP of that organization.


Title: Re: QMA - they are at it again
Post by: sfreitas20 on February 12, 2011, 10:44:11 PM
Good guess Eric...

From the QMA site:
Why won't QMA allow the "decking" of the Animal Engines like another organization?
Expense - Right now a member can purchase an Animal engine and gearbox, put the gear box on and go racing without paying an engine builder to machine the head.  The new "M" series animal will have the Tech specifications controlled without the additional expense.

My thoughts on it:
So basically they are going to go the same way they did with the Honda engines and reward the people who can go out and buy 20 engines and take them apart and have every part measured and weighed and then build one top notch engine out of it all.  Instead of allowing the decking so everyone spends an extra $200 and is at the same specs.


Title: Re: QMA - they are at it again
Post by: crew chief on February 13, 2011, 10:21:42 AM
As far as I know the m series animal come decked from briggs so all you need to do is bolt on a gear box and go race


Title: Re: QMA - they are at it again
Post by: pokesalad on February 13, 2011, 11:02:53 AM
Well to me it looks like its a win for usac on the animal. If you are a qma member with an animal , you can run usac but not vise versa


Title: Re: QMA - they are at it again
Post by: BRE on February 13, 2011, 12:22:49 PM
In light of the fact that the engine manufactures mass produce engine components, the part to part and assembly variations are large enough to cause performance variations. This is and has been known knowledge for a long time. These variations are unacceptable for the racing community that requires equal engine performance. When USAC decided to allow the cylinder head and block decks to be milled to exact specifications they had the racers in mind. This allows the engine builders to minimize the variation with one of the performance parameters, static compression ratio. By allowing this all the sorting and selecting the best head and block goes right out the window. Way to go USAC! I know in our shop the additional cost to mill the block and cylinder head deck is minimal. We can perform these operations in less than 20 minutes per engine. We have a dedicated mill and fixtures that are always set up for this operation. Going forward the big question will be if Briggs and Stratton will be able to control there head and block dimensions to exact tolerances to meet the USAC and QMA specs. If they can that would allow the engine builders not to have to mill these surfaces. In the mean time it makes a lot of sense to mill these surfaces to establish static compression ratios within small fraction variations.

Steve Baker


Title: Re: QMA - they are at it again
Post by: sfreitas20 on February 13, 2011, 12:53:00 PM
Well said Steve!  My response to the way QMA is doing the rules is this:

With the "out of the box" rule on the Honda engines, every track had a team that bought 20 engines and weighed and measured every part and then built one great engine with the best parts (I have heard people brag about it openly at our track).  Any manufacturer of anything is going to have slight variances so this will exist with the "out of the box" Animal rules as well.  USAC allows the decking and milling to a specific tolerance and then does tech inspections to make sure everyone is abiding by the rules.  Is it better for our sport to have everyone spend an extra $250 to get an engine decked to the specs (I would argue they aren't spending extra anyway because anyone that I have seen that runs up front is using an engine builder already) or is it better to reward the few families that can spend $15000 in order to get one great engine?  The answer is pretty obvious!

How many teams actually build their own engines and don't use an engine builder anyway?

I was about to join QMA for 2011, but this rule is clearly just to penalize anyone that already has engines for USAC and not for money reasons, so I guess I will hold off on sending in my check until they decide to do the right thing for the racers.


Title: Re: QMA - they are at it again
Post by: Walker23 on February 13, 2011, 01:15:17 PM
Sorry I posted in wrong thread.


Title: Re: QMA - they are at it again
Post by: BARRY LANDAU on February 13, 2011, 04:32:28 PM
WOW ..........Did I get one of those letters?????????? This news does not surprise me after the way I was treated last year in QMA........I am truly surprised that I have not gotten a letter.......but come to think of it I have not sent in my Membership........hahaha

Barry Landau

OH, yeah.........Blakely rules.


Title: Re: QMA - they are at it again
Post by: BRE on February 13, 2011, 04:58:27 PM
Cost for milling the Animal cylinder head and block to USAC specifications from Baker Racing Engines is $50.00 total, just for clarifications!

Steve Baker


Title: Re: QMA - they are at it again
Post by: sfreitas20 on February 13, 2011, 05:30:30 PM
And that $50 gets you milling and decking by the best builder out there.  Just sayin. :)


Title: Re: QMA - they are at it again
Post by: Walker23 on February 14, 2011, 07:48:28 AM
Make the rules the same so people can race anywhere. Doesn't make sense.



Title: Re: QMA - they are at it again
Post by: MurrayPerformance on February 14, 2011, 10:24:17 AM
I have to 100% agree with Steve that USAC made the right decision when they allowed the milling of the cylinder head and block.  By doing this it enables the engine builder to close the power gap from one engine to another.  After building engines for many years, I've found it takes numerous hours of swapping rods, pistons, cranks and cylinder heads to maximize an engine's performance with rules that don't allow machining of the block and cylinder head.  We all know time is money and not every racer has the funding to buy the engines and parts to have a "killer" engine built.  USAC's decision to allow the engine builder to mill the cylinder head and block on the Animal for $50 has saved the racer hundreds of dollars and closed the gap in engine performance.

Chris Murray
www.powerbymurrayperformance.com


Title: Re: QMA - they are at it again
Post by: Swartz on February 14, 2011, 01:27:09 PM
How would you be able to tell if it has been machined?


Title: Re: QMA - they are at it again
Post by: BRE on February 14, 2011, 02:09:14 PM
Swartz - Truth is if an engine builder really wanted to duplicate the factory surface finish they could. That is another reason why it makes no sense not to allow the engine builders to perform this fast and cheap operation to help level the engine performance.

Thanks for asking!

Steve Baker


Title: Re: QMA - they are at it again
Post by: Swartz on February 14, 2011, 03:00:35 PM
Thats what I figured. Seen waayyy too many "perfect" hondas to think this would be any different.


Title: Re: QMA - they are at it again
Post by: Phil on February 14, 2011, 05:42:40 PM
 Even though the majority of QMA members are asking for a common ground of rules from their NBOD officials, its not going to happen. QMA NBOD will continue to throw members out, make backdoor deals, go against their own written rules and by-laws untill there is no QMA left. 
 If you think about it, the largest, for now, quarter midget sanctioning body is ran by a small engine builder, bus driver and an electrical engineer that cannot be held liable for their actions. What do you expect?   


Title: Re: QMA - they are at it again
Post by: SAKMotorsports on February 14, 2011, 10:41:28 PM
Phil; that was funny about made me drop my laptop when reading it; if ALL members were inquiring about it; then maybe they could be held accountable for their actions but untill then; they will continue to just throw families out.....left and right.....untill there are only the choosen ones that are left...


Title: Re: QMA - they are at it again
Post by: Phil on February 22, 2011, 04:46:22 PM
 Think about it. By not allowing machining to equalize every engine and thus having to pick and piece from numerous engines to build just one, who has the advantage? The engine builder that orders in one at a time that just does engines in his free time, or, the full time builder that has an inventory to choose from? Can you say "Competition elimination?"

 On a different note. Quote from Tom Zickefoose 2/15/11 Conference call

"Tom said he feels we need to take the animosity off the website (QMA forum) and he believes it would be good to know who and where issues come from"

 Unbelievable!

 


Title: Re: QMA - they are at it again
Post by: Walker23 on February 23, 2011, 07:48:15 AM
And is also the one who wants the By-Laws changed so clubs cannot make a choice in which organization they are sanctioned with.


Title: Re: QMA - they are at it again
Post by: slowpoke on February 23, 2011, 08:01:23 PM

 If everyone would boycott his junk then he would probably go away. Baker has much better products anyway.